Hate Crimes (Religious, quote, history, Inci, Lute)

Guybrush · 06-24-2009, 07:06 AM

I thought hate crimes was just a motive. I mean if you have two scenarios - one where a driver hits and kills a person by accident and then another where the driver is a klan racist and runs down and kills a black person on purpose .. I would definetly punish the person who murdered someone on purpose more harshly.

I thought that was what hate crime was, just a very general description that implies motive.

edit :

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Should people be punished more severely for assaulting or otherwise causing harm to someone if they did it for a reason like their sexuality or race?

This doesn't make sense entirely .. it doesn't say what you compare hate crimes to. If it's like I did and compare it to a crime which has no motive (accident), then yes - of course.

Without a comparison, the question is rather unclear and makes for a poor poll.

anticipation · 06-24-2009, 09:03 AM

no, a murder's a murder.

Kool_Dude_HaMeR · 06-24-2009, 09:20 AM

what toretorden is describing, an accident, isn't murder though, it's manslaughter.

Son of JayJamJah · 06-25-2009, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool_Dude_HaMeR

what toretorden is describing, an accident, isn't murder though, it's manslaughter.

Unless a black guy was driving, then it's murder

For the record, I do hate most crimes.

lucifer_sam · 06-25-2009, 09:20 PM

yeah Tore those are two completely different crimes (in America, anyways).

and i don't understand why there should be separate penalties. hate isn't a crime, why should hate crimes be penalized any more severely than normal circumstances? overzealous antagonism toward human prejudices really doesn't solve anything in the long run.

Guybrush · 06-26-2009, 02:02 AM

Okay, I thought it went more like this :

killing by accident : punished for manslaughter
killed because of money : punished as murder with a motive
killed because of hate-crime : punished as murder with a motive

In other words, hate crime is just a motive and would recieve a punishment more or less that of any other motive depending on circumstance and severity. Any motivated murder is usually punished more harshly than manslaughter.

Because that would make perfect sense to me.

ProggyMan · 07-01-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toretorden

Okay, I thought it went more like this :

killing by accident : punished for manslaughter
killed because of money : punished as murder with a motive
killed because of hate-crime : punished as murder with a motive

In other words, hate crime is just a motive and would recieve a punishment more or less that of any other motive depending on circumstance and severity. Any motivated murder is usually punished more harshly than manslaughter.

Because that would make perfect sense to me.

The question is if you think criminals should be given a harsher sentence for committing a crime, like murder or assault, if their motive was the victims race, sexuality etc. Here's hate crime law in the United States:
Hate crime laws in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anthony · 06-30-2009, 08:48 AM

I haven't read through this whole thread, so I'm sorry if I'm just repeating stuff here, but I feel like the idea of "hate crimes" and whatnot are just perpetuating things like racism more than putting an end to them. I mean, it shouldn't matter if a violent crime was radically motivated,we should just try to be as even-handed with our discipline system as possible

View Poll Results: Hate Crimes?
Yes	14	34.15%
No	22	53.66%
I Don't Know	2	4.88%
I Don't Care	3	7.32%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

06-24-2009, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kool_Dude_HaMeR Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Éire Posts: 66	what toretorden is describing, an accident, isn't murder though, it's manslaughter. __________________ "BTW IDK WTF 'FTW' st&s 4" <-QFT

06-25-2009, 09:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	yeah Tore those are two completely different crimes (in America, anyways). and i don't understand why there should be separate penalties. hate isn't a crime, why should hate crimes be penalized any more severely than normal circumstances? overzealous antagonism toward human prejudices really doesn't solve anything in the long run. __________________ first.am

06-26-2009, 02:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Okay, I thought it went more like this : killing by accident : punished for manslaughter killed because of money : punished as murder with a motive killed because of hate-crime : punished as murder with a motive In other words, hate crime is just a motive and would recieve a punishment more or less that of any other motive depending on circumstance and severity. Any motivated murder is usually punished more harshly than manslaughter. Because that would make perfect sense to me. __________________ Something Completely Different

06-24-2009, 09:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,561	no, a murder's a murder.

06-30-2009, 08:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anthony Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 34	I haven't read through this whole thread, so I'm sorry if I'm just repeating stuff here, but I feel like the idea of "hate crimes" and whatnot are just perpetuating things like racism more than putting an end to them. I mean, it shouldn't matter if a violent crime was radically motivated,we should just try to be as even-handed with our discipline system as possible