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Old 02-28-2018, 12:16 PM   #10421 (permalink)
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Like if you're the employer you're less excited to give in to benefits if it means you can get stuck with expensive bad employees
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:46 PM   #10422 (permalink)
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Unions are not typically out to protect first year anyone that much is true

Union I was apart of didn't protect workers for their first 6 months or so a probation period

you can get better deals for senior employees this way
The UAW was taking bribes from Chrysler and was in on using corrupt distorted interpretations of bankruptcy laws and negotiating **** contracts in crazy legalese to cheat lifetime employees out of their retirement benefits. The retirees are still ****ed and the high level union reps, lawyers, and CEOs are still living large.

The unions are just another hierarchy.
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Like if you're the employer you're less excited to give in to benefits if it means you can get stuck with expensive bad employees
**** the employer
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:38 PM   #10424 (permalink)
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****in true
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:51 PM   #10426 (permalink)
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half agree half disagree

when unions decline middle class declines

on a more radical note the gov has passed laws decimating unions because they were such a threat to the existing hierarchies
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Apparently cutting benefits to a special group is virtue signalling but providing them in the first place is not.

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on a more radical note the gov has passed laws decimating unions because they were such a threat to the existing hierarchies
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:29 PM   #10428 (permalink)
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Come to think of it it's not so much a lesser of two evils situation, it's more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Like saying that Donald Trump tried to silence Steve Bannon, therefore Steve Bannon is pretty alright in my book.

I've already explained to you at length why the lesser of two evils is so dumb so I'll just leave you to fetishize your evil.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:54 PM   #10430 (permalink)
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I don't see collective bargaining as an enemy

the structure could be modified to be more democratic, every structure of power should be critiqued in this way

But again most things that don't suck about working are a result of hard union fights

indeed the middle class is an artificial structure glued together through collective bargaining
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