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Old 06-10-2019, 03:09 PM   #18081 (permalink)
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If you actually read what you cited from those posts you dug up out of the grave, you see me not only defend racial diversity, but make fun of other white people and talk about the inevitability (in a positive sense for the whole of humanity) of the U.S.'s growing diversification, which was in reference to a study by a prominent non-profit organization on demographic projections. White supremacy won't be able to exist in a country where whites aren't the majority demographic. Are you butthurt because you wanted to make that point yourself but I beat you to it?

And yes, it is pathetic for trying to tear me down when the best you can do is to attempt to take me out of context or outright slander me. Except Bat wouldn't go to the extent you did to prove me correct.
The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:19 PM   #18082 (permalink)
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The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.
Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present. Which is why I cited the studies that I did in the first place to showcase that.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:21 PM   #18083 (permalink)
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he appeared to say white supremacy is fine because otherwise or inevitably there will be Chinese supremacy

Instead of simply both being bad
I think he was also trying to say that other countries handle majority bias more savagely than us.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:27 PM   #18084 (permalink)
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Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.
I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:39 PM   #18085 (permalink)
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The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.
You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.

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Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:44 PM   #18086 (permalink)
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What's annoying is that I'm reading it the same as everybody else that called him out did but got treated with much less respect.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:57 PM   #18087 (permalink)
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You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?
He always gives Trump and white supremacists a pass or deflects criticism with some whataboutism. It's pretty easy to see the pattern.
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You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?
He is saying it in response to people who think white supremacy is a problem. Context is everything. It's like the all lives matter thing. Yes we all know all lives matter and we all know that majorities tend to mistreat minorities. But using that as a response completely changes the context. The same way ALM is trying to devalue BLM's message he's saying it to demean the idea that white supremacy is a problem.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you OH.
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Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present. Which is why I cited the studies that I did in the first place to showcase that.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.
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I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.
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You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?
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He is saying it in response to people who think white supremacy is a problem. Context is everything. It's like the all lives matter thing. Yes we all know all lives matter and we all know that majorities tend to mistreat minorities. But using that as a response completely changes the context. The same way ALM is trying to devalue BLM's message he's saying it to demean the idea that white supremacy is a problem.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you OH.
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He always gives Trump and white supremacists a pass or deflects criticism with some whataboutism. It's pretty easy to see the pattern.
Define "whataboutism", because you aren't using it correctly. I don't talk about other things as a form of deflection to say "X did it first so we should excuse Y" (Hillary to Trump or whatnot). I make comparisons as illustrations to discuss a larger related point, whether that's about how media organizations approach whatever the subject is, an economic or data-driven angle, whatever.

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I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.
We can do better, but we also live in a world driven by scarcity, massive upheavals in society due to things like automation, etc. Look at what OH said before about the demographics of the south lately compared to San Francisco. There are realities about human nature that need to be addressed if you actually want to position yourself as any kind of problem solver (however you plan or desire to contribute).
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