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Old 06-10-2019, 02:10 PM   #18071 (permalink)
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Same people who have been whining for years about "not all Muslims" or "not all Christians" are now branding an "eco-fascist" and Chinese government sympathizer into a white supremacist that "speaks for all white people in New Zealand". We have multiple incidents every year where Christian churches get bombed in brown countries by Muslim extremists that don't even hit the bar for C-lst coverage from CNN and The Atlantic but they'll do thinkpieces on the "global dominance of white nationalist terrorism". There's certainly a big overall terrorism death toll out there...but white supremacy has a lot of catching up to do on the numbers side. They also lump in all those shooters like the Parkland kid into it even though he was a self-hating Jew. Like "wuttttttt", lol.

Makes me glad I didn't pursue a career in journalism right out of college. This **** would make me question what the point of the job is other than driving clicks. Yeesh.
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It isn't "whataboutism". Just this year alone there have been around 453 Islamic terror attacks (globally) with nearly 2k dead as a cumulative result. Of those, 117 happened in just the last 30 days. Those numbers are alarming in 2019, yet somehow The Anti-Defamation League and others think its insignificant. They want to focus on a nonexistent "domestic threat" to distract from real problems we have, just as Trump likes to focus on nonexistent Mexican rapists.

Odds are your more likely to step on a landmine going to the grocery store set by an Islamic extremist than getting gunned down by a puffy faced white dude who doesn't leave grandma's basement.
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I'm not really worried about whites flying planes into some Middle Eastern buildings. I am however worried about the trend of nativism in the West that has influence on governments with actual power.

Conflating Islamic terrorism with white supremacist terrorism is like conflating Iranian power with American power. Both should be watched but one clearly has a greater array of influence.
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If you think that's bad wait til you see what Chinese or Hispanic supremacy will entail. Give it another five decades.
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Straight up supporting white supremacy.
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Straight up ad hominem. The world isn't going to become a better place just because you replace one majority with another. That's a fantasy.

Fact is, the world is quickly becoming a more diverse place right under everyone's nose. Just look at Japan, South Korea as well as the U.S. The playing field is leveling whether people like it or not. But at the point where this becomes truly apparent, people will be out of excuses of why Person A got that job over them cause everyone will be the same shade of beige/bronze/brown.
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Like you don't know what you just said and how you said it.
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It's not always without value, but if your response to concerns over white supremacist shooters is "what about Islamic terrorism?" then it's inherently whataboutism.

And yes, promoting white supremacy as a more preferable form of racial supremacy to that of minorities is inherently white supremacist too.
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I'm not a mind reader. Why don't you tell me what bull**** you came up with and let's see how it measures up to reality, which is that every country has some form of perceived "x-supremacy", even when you can't measure it by any reasonable standard.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:22 PM   #18072 (permalink)
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I thought the funniest part about that conversation is where he doesn't understand that yea domestic terrorists happen to be a bigger threat to us, you know, by the nature of them being here
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if you happen to live in a Islamic country then yes, it might be more a threat, however one has to wonder how you factor in the US endless bombing of poor brown people...state sponsored terrorism?
It was, as Frown said, whataboutism in defense of white supremacist massacres. Not only creating a false dichotomy, but not understanding the reason why we fear this over that is because this is here where we are at and that is over there away from us.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:26 PM   #18073 (permalink)
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Right?
Right? Who would have thought that there's Chinese supremacy over in China. Or that talking about the lack of focus by journalistic outlets on a still present high death toll in the Middle East (which is partly our responsibility) was the same thing as saying "man, white supremacy is the right way to go.". Or that acknowledging that all races (including whites) are equally ****ed up when you put them in power is anything less than the truth.

And last time I checked, that New Zealand massacre wasn't a domestic U.S. incident. Seeing as, like elphenor points out, it didn't happen in the United States. I brought up the Middle East after that as a parallel to how these things are framed by the media and how they're no longer as interested in what the U.S. has birthed over there now that incels are marching through our cities.

All that digging and you couldn't find a single statement supporting white supremacy. Bravo.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:28 PM   #18074 (permalink)
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Right? Who would have thought that there's Chinese supremacy over in China. I guess that's also white supremacy.
Is this another strawman? Oh boy.

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who would think to try and defend it?
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I mean, is this a "boys will be boys" argument for not criticizing say, the Chinese, "reeducation" of Muslims
Can you draw a similar parallel to current U.S. domestic policy? What they're doing would be wrong in any country. Lucem "I have the reading abilities of a 1st grader" Ferre might want to take a shot at it.
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Can you draw a similar parallel to current U.S. domestic policy? What they're doing would be wrong in any country. Lucem "I have the reading abilities of a 1st grader" Ferre might want to take a shot at it.
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Strawman followed by ad hominem.



Remember when you were calling Bat pathetic for not being able to have a debate with out tearing people down?
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He didn’t defend white supremacy. Defending white supremacy would be saying something like the Christchurch shooter did New Zealand a favor. What Ant did was put it in context.

Insensitive timing yes but other racial groups do nasty **** as well. That’s the truth.
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Strawman followed by ad hominem.



Remember when you were calling Bat pathetic for not being able to have a debate with out tearing people down?
If you actually read what you cited from those posts you dug up out of the grave, you see me not only defend racial diversity, but make fun of other white people and talk about the inevitability (in a positive sense for the whole of humanity) of the U.S.'s growing diversification, which was in reference to a study by a prominent non-profit organization on demographic projections. White supremacy won't be able to thrive effectively in a country where whites aren't the majority demographic. Are you butthurt because you wanted to make that point yourself but I beat you to it?

And yes, it is pathetic when I see people trying to tear me down when the best course of action you decided upon was to attempt to take me out of context and/or outright slander me. Bat and I fight a lot, but generally he wouldn't go to the extent you did to prove me correct.
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He didn’t defend white supremacy. Defending white supremacy would be saying something like the Christchurch shooter did New Zealand a favor. What Ant did was put it in context.

Insensitive timing yes but other racial groups do nasty **** as well. That’s the truth.
No, he absolutely did defend white supremacy.
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