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Frownland 06-05-2020 12:39 PM

My experience with that demographic is that they're pretty ready to tell you about it.

jwb 06-05-2020 12:41 PM

I guess but wouldn't that leave some group of centrists who "somewhat" support martial law while also thinking the police station arson was at least "partially" justified? That doesn't seem reasonable at all unless the polls are just inaccurate. In any case the results are somewhat surprising.

Exo 06-05-2020 12:41 PM



NYC cops arresting an essential delivery driver who is exempt from curfew laws.

Frownland 06-05-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121696)
I guess but wouldn't that leave some group of centrists who "somewhat" support martial law while also thinking the police station arson was at least "partially" justified? That doesn't seem reasonable at all unless the polls are just inaccurate. In any case the results are somewhat surprising.

The reasons for their not fully supporting martial law are probably the reasons why they think that burning down a police station is partially justified. What's most likely is that these are different polls surveying different people with small enough sample sizes to have seemingly conflicting results. The dissonance that you're pointing out would be more compelling if it was within a single poll using the same subjects.

The Batlord 06-05-2020 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121691)
Some interesting polls

64% of Americans sympathize with the protests in general
https://news.trust.org/item/20200602213748-a24t2/

54% say burning down police station was justified
https://www.newsweek.com/54-american...floyds-1508452

58% support using the military to assist police
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...ts-poll-finds/

So a majority supports the protests and even some level of selective violence but also wants a military crackdown :confused:

It's called dumb moderates who don't know what they believe but they know they don't like bad things.

jwb 06-05-2020 01:16 PM

Obviously I agree it would be easier to judge of it was the same group of people, but if the polls can't be assumed to roughly reflect the general population then isn't that the same as just saying they're inaccurate/poorly done?

I honestly can't speak on the methodology or what the average sample size is for a good poll on this sort of thing. The two in question had 807 and 1,624 participants.

jwb 06-05-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2121703)
It's called dumb moderates who don't know what they believe but they know they don't like bad things.

dumb moderates who want to burn down police stations AND bring out the troops? We sure got some interesting moderates.

Frownland 06-05-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121706)
Obviously I agree it would be easier to judge of it was the same group of people, but if the polls can't be assumed to roughly reflect the general population then isn't that the same as just saying they're inaccurate/poorly done?

Nah.

jwb 06-05-2020 01:27 PM

Isn't the entire purpose supposed to be gauging the general sentiment? Maybe if they were targeted towards specific different groups I could see your point but I think both are meant to be representative of Americans in general.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121707)
dumb moderates who want to burn down police stations AND bring out the troops? We sure got some interesting moderates.

What about the police station probably deserved to get torched because it was where that cop worked but the troops were needed because unrelated stores were being looted?

Frownland 06-05-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121709)
Isn't the entire purpose supposed to be gauging the general sentiment?

Yes.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2121709)
Isn't the entire purpose supposed to be gauging the general sentiment? Maybe if they were targeted towards specific different groups I could see your point but I think both are meant to be representative of Americans in general.

They are. And they do with a reliable plus minus

At least that’s what my social studies teacher said

jwb 06-05-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2121710)
What about the police station probably deserved to get torched because it was where that cop worked but the troops were needed because unrelated stores were being looted?

fair point but it still seems like both supporting burning the police station and supporting a military crackdown are not really "moderate" sounding approaches to me. Whether you agree with them or not they both sound more extreme than the alternative.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 01:40 PM

I think it may suggest radicalism

jwb 06-05-2020 01:42 PM

I agree.

jwb 06-05-2020 01:48 PM


Raime 06-05-2020 01:51 PM

Watching that video of that old man being shoved down like that made me ****ing mad. He deserves more than a suspension, you don't just do **** like that.

Raime 06-05-2020 01:56 PM

Bel Air Protest Draws Hundreds of Supporters, Several Racists

In other news, this **** happened to my former coworker and her daughter.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raime (Post 2121718)
Watching that video of that old man being shoved down like that mad me ****ing mad. He deserves more than a suspension, you don't just do **** like that.

That entire sounder of swine should be slaughtered.

Raime 06-05-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2121720)
That entire sounder of swine should be slaughtered.

I used to think some cops were alright, especially the ones I had to deal with in my teenage years, but it's gotten to a point where I just can't believe some of the "good ones" let this **** slide. Yeah, I was a dumb white kid doing dumb ****, and I get that I would have been locked up if I was anything other than white.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 02:17 PM

A lot of cops are good people

That doesn’t mean they should be allowed to live

A lot of landlords are nice. Same thing.

Anteater 06-05-2020 07:35 PM

Poor guy.

Immigrant owner of Atlanta clothing store wiped out in looting, looks to Black Owned Business Relief fund for help

Lucem Ferre 06-05-2020 07:58 PM

If only this country protected smaller businesses like they do large corporations instead of virtue signalling for them when it's convenient.

OccultHawk 06-05-2020 11:59 PM

If only any form of capitalism what-so-ever was punishable by death.

goldendoodle 06-06-2020 07:00 AM

Police crowd-control unit resigns in protest
Officers and their union object to suspension of two cops seen on video injuring demonstrator during anti-racism protest


https://i.imgur.com/Mbvi1MJ.png

Disgusting sociopaths. All of them.

Anteater 06-06-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2121748)
If only any form of capitalism what-so-ever was punishable by death.

Nobody would ever get "punished by death" in a decent post-capitalist system though.

Marie Monday 06-06-2020 07:28 AM

All this news about the police violence and the treatment of protests happening in the US just fills me with impotent rage. I wish I could do something

OccultHawk 06-06-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2121761)
Nobody would ever get "punished by death" in a decent post-capitalist system though.

yeah the deaths have to happen before hand

capitalism ain’t going easy

OccultHawk 06-06-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2121764)
All this news about the police violence and the treatment of protests happening in the US just fills me with impotent rage. I wish I could do something

Encourage the EU to send UN troops and or just nuke this ****ing **** hole

Remember it’s not just ourselves we’re killing

We’re killing you too

Frownland 06-06-2020 08:17 AM

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

The Batlord 06-06-2020 01:38 PM

THAT GUY WAS 75?! AND THEN THEY JUST WALKED AWAY LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED?!

Exo, what are the rules on calling for certain actions against the police cause I'm fin to get banned.

Raime 06-06-2020 01:38 PM

Too bad it'll take another few million years for the sun to engulf the earth. We need that now.

Raime 06-06-2020 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2121813)
THAT GUY WAS 75?! AND THEN THEY JUST WALKED AWAY LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED?!

Exo, what are the rules on calling for certain actions against the police cause I'm fin to get banned.

He has cancer too.

The Batlord 06-06-2020 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raime (Post 2121815)
He has cancer too.

We all do.

The Batlord 06-06-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raime (Post 2121814)
Too bad it'll take another few million years for the sun to engulf the earth. We need that now.

*billion

Raime 06-06-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2121817)
*billion

Fire nukes into the sun.

The Batlord 06-06-2020 01:49 PM

Won't that just make more sun?

OccultHawk 06-06-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2121816)
We all do.

Church

Psy-Fi 06-07-2020 07:44 AM


The Batlord 06-07-2020 12:57 PM

Was it a dog **** bomb?


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