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Old 05-23-2017, 05:58 PM   #5831 (permalink)
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TH WTF is your goddamn question?
You've missed it twice. Excuse me for shouting, you must be deaf.

DOES THE WORD "MANIPULATION" MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU? OR "EXPLOITATION"?

Clear enough? Heard that?
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Old 05-23-2017, 05:59 PM   #5832 (permalink)
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Ok. Great. Filling 15 year old girls up with nails being bad is also just an opinion. I didn't realize we needed to establish this. Can we agree that this incident in Manchester was bad or is do you have a problem with that as a foundation for this discussion?
Sure I think it's bad. Why are you equating terrorism and new years celebrations?

I still don't think that terrorism is inherent to Islam.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:11 PM   #5833 (permalink)
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DOES THE WORD "MANIPULATION" MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU? OR "EXPLOITATION"?
Yes. I know those words. I'll use them in a sentence.

Muslims are especially vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:13 PM   #5834 (permalink)
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Sure I think it's bad. Why are you equating terrorism and new years celebrations?

I still don't think that terrorism is inherent to Islam.
Watch the news then. You'll find these attacks are usually carried out by Muslims.
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Watch the news then. You'll find these attacks are usually carried out by Muslims.
On cold days I noticed that the sun rises in the morning, therefore the sun makes the day cold when it rises.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:18 PM   #5836 (permalink)
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To act like this is merely correlation and not causal is appalling.

It's more like it's night until the sun comes up so therefore I conclude the sun is a light source.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:26 PM   #5837 (permalink)
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On its own, it is most definitely not causal. When you factor in things like poverty, generally disillusioned youth in war torn regions, and political context, you're a little closer.

If you think I'm arguing that people aren't using Islam for terrible means then let me assure you that I'm not. I'm arguing that only pointing at the fact that someone is Muslim as the reasoning for terrorism is wildly inaccurate.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:29 PM   #5838 (permalink)
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To act like this is merely correlation and not causal is appalling.

It's more like it's night until the sun comes up so therefore I conclude the sun is a light source.
You're really ****ing dense my comrade

Where's that 2 minutes hate meme

This would be a context in which it actually makes sense
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On its own, it is most definitely not causal. When you factor in things like poverty, generally disillusioned youth in war torn regions, and political context, you're a little closer.

If you think I'm arguing that people aren't using Islam for terrible means then let me assure you that I'm not. I'm arguing that only pointing at the fact that someone is Muslim as the reasoning for terrorism is wildly inaccurate.
Hence my question, which he sort of answered but really just brushed over. If people are being used, manipulated and coerced by a religious dogma, does that make those people evil in themselves? Was every Crusader evil? Most were, granted, and greedy, but would you not accept that there were those who went because they thought they were doing God's will, and if so, does that make them inherently evil? Or just misguided? I wonder if I'll get an answer before I head to bed in about two hours.
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I think you're way off track Trollheart
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