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01-02-2018, 07:24 PM | #9001 (permalink) |
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Free will to murder someone woot woot. Wait hang on...maybe free will doesn't always take precedent.
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01-02-2018, 07:29 PM | #9002 (permalink) |
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Oh **** I just broke the new rule. Sorry.
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01-02-2018, 07:38 PM | #9004 (permalink) |
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Holds about as much weight for me as saying it violates Harry Potter's Constitution.
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If you're worried about tyranny, I can assure you that Hitler wasn't aided by protections of gays and jews, or checks and balances to businesses power to refuse service to said minority groups. Actually, if it's liberty you're after, the founders of this nation, while of varying backgrounds, agreed on checks and balances to power. Quote:
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01-02-2018, 08:11 PM | #9006 (permalink) |
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Another thing is that calling this ruling fascism shows a limited understanding of what fascism is. Fascism limits the freedom of an individual. This ruling was meant to preserve the freedom of individuals. Allowing people to deny those freedoms to others because of their religious beliefs would be holding an institution (religion) above the individual and isn't fascism either, but it's a tiny bit closer.
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01-02-2018, 08:34 PM | #9007 (permalink) | |
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My thoughts: Even if you take the position that eliminating discrimination is more important than the liberty to run your own business as you see fit everyone should be able to see there’s a social cost either way. The government enforces laws by force. As an anarchist, I want the government to exert no force but less force is better than more force. That’s why I have some sympathy for Merit’s position. I also have issues with it but I see where he’s coming from. Let me give what I think is a fair equivalency. Let’s say I’m, not surprisingly, a free speech absolutist. In today’s world, walking around with a sign that advocates genocide against African Americans would be offensive but I support your right to say it. 100 years ago it would have been more offensive to most people to advocate for interracial gay sex. A free speech absolutist would have supported your right to say that as well. It’s not about the position but the right to speak freely. It’s not exactly the same but the Libertarian perspective of no or very limited workplace interference is also a position that can be rooted in a desire for maximum freedom not as a means to support discrimination. Discrimination, like hate speech, is an unfortunate side effect in a world that isn’t perfect. Now, I’m not a Libertarian because I don’t believe in private property and money. None-the-less I think you’re unfairly maligning the philosophy.
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01-02-2018, 08:37 PM | #9008 (permalink) |
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That’s too bad, because drawing a line at real aggression is a cornerstone to personal freedom.
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01-02-2018, 08:48 PM | #9009 (permalink) | |
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As far as your comment I thought it was well written and agree to an extent. Would you say that in the modern day that businesses more closely represent governments than individuals? I would. That's why I'm more comfortable with putting limitations on how they can operate in terms of how they treat their customers: because they're put in a position of power and any chance to abuse that will be sprung on. That's all within reason though because too much regulation can choke out everybody except for corporations, but this isn't one of those cases. Like I said, it's a good place to start but it's not absolute.
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