I understand what he's saying. I'm just saying that access to guns is what turns the thoughts into reality for those people.

I'm with Jansz.

She was probably just looking for any way to get his ass out of the house.

I know this comment is often either used facetiously or from the far - uh whatever- but seriously - can we start by disarming the world’s governments?

But the problem isn't just gun violence, is my point.

Guns. Echo chambers. Intellectual contagion. Idiocy. Lack of attempt to change because change is scary. Obama. The weather.

In my case I’m not making a libertarian argument for gun ownership. I’m making an earnest plea for complete disarmament. All mankind, all weapons. I’m taking the strongest anti-gun stance possible.

FTR, I haven’t heard anyone anywhere take this stance- scoff or whatever but I’m NOT reporting from an echo chamber.

dude

I think what you’re saying positively has to be heard

I’m not trying to speak for you but I think at least part of what you’re saying is the problem is the hate and anger and the hate and anger exists for real reasons. That line of thought has to be included in the conversation.

I think I get what you’re saying.

I wasn't leveling echo chamber accusations at anyone here, just saying that it was a likely component in the shooters' decisions.