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Old 06-13-2009, 02:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Well your welcome....I'm glad me and mine pays for it.
....you'd be surprised by how many hard working people(just like your family) who can't afford healthcare.(like my family, if health care wasn't socialized in my country)....so you can cram a sock in it. I'm glad to see some compassion finally shown towards other human beings.

....was that "me"(you) for all those years, or was it more likely your parents?Some people aren't fortunate enough to have well-off mommies and daddies.
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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....was that "me"(you) for all those years, or was it more likely your parents?Some people aren't fortunate enough to have well-off mommies and daddies.
No maybe not, but all those people who worked extra hard to earn there money (and also started with nothing) now must pay more in taxes. My entire family went from nothing to something do to sheer hard work, regardless of the huge loans and many hours worked.
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well your welcome....I'm glad me and mine pays for it.
Maybe one day you can be glad you're helping fellow human beings have a decent quality of life, too.
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.



But yes please to more complex taxes....means my job is all the more important.
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Old 06-13-2009, 08:25 AM   #15 (permalink)
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No maybe not, but all those people who worked extra hard to earn there money (and also started with nothing) now must pay more in taxes. My entire family went from nothing to something do to sheer hard work, regardless of the huge loans and many hours worked.
I read that article and I'm pretty sure they didn't say anything about more taxes are going to have to be paid by the individuals for this new plan. They are cutting corners to pay for it so that middle class workers don't have to pay more in taxes for it.
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I am just so confused by people who like socialized health care, I'd be embarrassed to except it, it's pathetic really that someone should be forced to give their earnings for someone else to receive health care.

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I read that article and I'm pretty sure they didn't say anything about more taxes are going to have to be paid by the individuals for this new plan. They are cutting corners to pay for it so that middle class workers don't have to pay more in taxes for it.
It doesn't matter what they "say". Socialized health care will inevitably cause everyone's taxes to increase substantially at one point or another.

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I am just so confused by people who like socialized health care, I'd be embarrassed to except it, it's pathetic really that someone should be forced to give their earnings for someone else to receive health care.

Personal accountability For the Win as you kids say.
There is no better way to put it than this. Is it my responsibility to look after a nation with my paycheck?... No.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
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lmao please tell me you thin i'm quoting the declaration of independence to argue for a trillion dollar+ nationalized healthcare

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It's amazing to me that a lot of the people that were so mad about government wiretaps and how that information could be misused, etc, are comfortable with the thought of this. Wiretap info could be misused, but no chance in hell if they have all the info on their medical history [alcohol abuse, drug usage, mental health] won't be misused at all.

Throw on top the budget deficit last year was ~$480 billion. We are already projected to have ~$1.8 trillion this year. GREAT time to enact this.
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Old 06-13-2009, 10:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
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There is no better way to put it than this. Is it my responsibility to look after a nation with my paycheck?... No.
Why are you whining about that? you have been doing it forever already though and plus you usually get it back anyways. They are just temporarily borrowing it.
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