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Old 10-24-2009, 04:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I understand that the BNP are just thinly-veiled racists, and that as they have been propelled into the limelight they have had to alter their policies in order to look more acceptable and less like the National Front. I have a couple of aqquaintances who vote BNP and yes, they are racists. As I have previously mentioned on these boards, I understand that being an instigator of racism is both ignorant and neanderthalic, but the shape Britain is in recently those in support of the BNP shouldn't necessarily be written off as racists. There is just nowhere else to turn to.

The British public have become disillusioned and I completely agree with the belief that our British Identity is slipping between our fingers. However, any opposing argument against immigration appears to immediately be deemed as racism, and it is this oppression and censorship that is making people harbour racist feelings.

On a semi-seperate note, I find it funny that when annoyance is directed at the influx of Polish into our country it isn't deemed as racism, because they are white.
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There is just nowhere else to turn to.
It is true that this is the reason people believe of themselves, it is untrue that this is the reality of the situation. We live in a Democracy, if no political party represents your views you are quite free to start a new one. At the same time there's a much larger party variety than the core three, even turning to UKIP would be a (marginal) step up from the BNP. The problem is the BNP are loud and stupid, which is a marvellous combination for the uneducated voting masses. Sometimes I wonder Plato wasn't right about the Philosopher Kings.

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British Identity
What is British Identity? If we are losing it, it must be a definable and distinguished ideal or set of characteristics which is unanimously held by those who can trace their heritage through generations of solely UK living forefathers (because there are obviously so many of those.)

Have you woken up one morning with your hand missing because the day before you stole an apple? Have you been banned from your football chants because the only phrase you should use is "Allahu Akbar"?

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it is this oppression and censorship that is making people harbour racist feelings.
No, people are harbouring racist feelings because (as it has been forever throughout history) during an economic down turn and times of high unemployment scape-goating is used to blame whichever social group is new or alien to the public majority. Prior to the 1940s the common punching bag for this throughout the centuries was the Jews. The oppression and censorship regarding the outcry is new as a result of shock of post WW2 cultural reforms, but historically is by no means the cause.

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it isn't deemed as racism, because they are white.
Because it's xenophobia, not racism. Racism is based upon race; Polish are not exceptionally racially distinct, the difference comes from national identity, culture, language etc.
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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fuck british identity, nobody here gives a **** about the next guy until it comes time to project the hate or protect their wage slips
the way Polish are treated, especially considering the UK's strong ties with the country is certainly considered discrimanatory by me, and i'd imagine most people in this country of polish-british descent. If you want to blame someone for immigration, as we've said, blame the government and don't moan when there's a shortage of qualified doctors and people to mop up your friday night puke
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Old 10-24-2009, 05:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I think what I have said has been taken out of context - I am not a BNP supporter. I was just stating that it is sort of reasonable that some people might consider the BNP as the only place to turn to.

I am not a very political man and I am not very well-educated on current states of affairs, but even without being entirely clued up I notice when something is affecting me personally and the people around me. Being a late teenager, I am too young to look at the broader picture, but I have my own perception of what is going on around me and the way that immigration is affecting England and the way it has affected England. Luckily I am one of the well-educated youth that recognises racism as ignorant - some others my age are not as fortunate as me.

It needs to be recognised that racism is particularly prominent within youth culture, and it happens from all angles, not just whites against blacks/asians. The amount of violence I have seen because of race hate is sickening, and considering my generation will soon be running the 'United' Kingdom, it will only get worse.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I get really really angry whenever the BNP comes up.
I can't say much else then **** em'. They are a complete disgrace to Britain, ****ing nazis in disguise.

I hate them, and if they ever get to put a word in, Britain will be destroyed. Which is something I would be very sad to see.

But I have no problem with them putting out their platform on TV, Britain is a democracy, and there is freedom of speech. So regardless of how crazy their politics are, they should be allowed to talk about them in public. Makes them easier to shout at as well . Wish I had been in that studio..
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I don't understand how any party that belives in an indigneous people can flourish in Britiain, when anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history will know that the "indigenous" British themselves are the result of millenia of intermarriage,mass immigration and colonisation-first by Celts(Irish and French),Romans(Mediterreanean),Anglo-Saxons(Germans),Vikings,Normans(French and Norse),Irish again in the 19th and 20th century,and later Asians,West Indians and Africans in the mid-to-late 20th and 21st.

And to those who point out they are simply reflecting the alienated, I reply that although these people may be alienated,it does not give a party who believe that the Republic Of Ireland should be forced back into Union any degree of credibilty.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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And to those who point out they are simply reflecting the alienated, I reply that although these people may be alienated,it does not give a party who believe that the Republic Of Ireland should be forced back into Union any degree of credibilty.
If this is true, the BNP are bigger idiots than I gave them credit for.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I think what I have said has been taken out of context - I am not a BNP supporter. I was just stating that it is sort of reasonable that some people might consider the BNP as the only place to turn to.

I am not a very political man and I am not very well-educated on current states of affairs, but even without being entirely clued up I notice when something is affecting me personally and the people around me. Being a late teenager, I am too young to look at the broader picture, but I have my own perception of what is going on around me and the way that immigration is affecting England and the way it has affected England. Luckily I am one of the well-educated youth that recognises racism as ignorant - some others my age are not as fortunate as me.

It needs to be recognised that racism is particularly prominent within youth culture, and it happens from all angles, not just whites against blacks/asians. The amount of violence I have seen because of race hate is sickening, and considering my generation will soon be running the 'United' Kingdom, it will only get worse.
no no i wasn't implying you are a BNP supporter, i'm just not a big fan or borders, cultural or otherwise. I find (non-extremist) patriotism hypocritical in today's society, it's a crutch used by some people when their religion is the purchase. If you put your balls on the line in nineteen thurdy nine then you can bray on about the union jack all you like, however. See you on the otherside you lucky bastards.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I don't understand how any party that belives in an indigneous people can flourish in Britiain, when anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history will know that the "indigenous" British themselves are the result of millenia of intermarriage,mass immigration and colonisation-first by Celts(Irish and French),Romans(Mediterreanean),Anglo-Saxons(Germans),Vikings,Normans(French and Norse),Irish again in the 19th and 20th century,and later Asians,West Indians and Africans in the mid-to-late 20th and 21st.
this issue is consistently raised with them and came up on the QT program, of course they have nothing to respond with. Priceless comedy
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I completely disagree with whoever it was that said the BBC should not have allowed Nick Griffin the airtime, i think it's only right that he was allowed to be there and to voice his opinions.

I also recognise that this didn't really happen, which was disappointing. Maybe im giving people too much credit but i believe that if he had been given the freedom to say what he wanted to say and to present his policies and his beliefs without being blocked, interrupted, ridiculed and having what must have been a carefully selected panel and audience there solely to tear him to pieces that surely he would have been able to dig his own grave and ultimately expose the BNP for what they are to those who may not really understand or who are on the fence? He's not exactly the best public speaker, is he?

That line about Jack Straw's father being locked up for refusing to fight the nazi's while his was in the RAF was priceless. That was arguably the most laughably poor pissing contest i have ever seen and i fail to see its relevance. I didn't think grown men lowered themselves to the old "my dad could beat up your dad" shit you would hear in primary school, which is essentially what it was as far as im concerned.
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