The BNP

The Monkey · 12-03-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

It`s no bigger than many other similiar EU countries and in some cases smaller countries such as Sweden (population wise) take in more immigrants legal or non-legal per % of the population than the UK anyway, that is certainly based on stats that I saw some time ago. Countries like Canada and Australia take in far more immigrants than the EU anyway, so the right wingers in the UK tend to greatly exagerrate this to garner support, the whole thing is then made worse when rags like the Daily Mail also harper on about the same thing.

Its also been shown, that for the amount of people that come into the UK, a similiar amount leave as well. The amount of Brits that move overseas is a huge amount anually.

By the way, I just saw that you were based in Sweden, is my example of using Sweden correct?

Well, the problem isn't the total amount of refugees and immigrants, but the distribution of their settlement within the country. When it comes to immigrants, they, quite naturally, have a tendency to settle where their relatives live, which is primarily in the suburbs the big cities. When it comes to refugees, each municipality chooses how many to accept. This has let to a situation where virtually none of the rural municipalities accept any refugees. The effect of both these trends is that the suburbs of the big cities (primarily Stockholm, Göteborg and Malmö) have a very large degree of immigrants, many of whom rarely or never leave their neighbourhood. Obviously, in a situation like that, integration is extremely difficult.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Well, the problem isn't the total amount of refugees and immigrants, but the distribution of their settlement within the country. When it comes to immigrants, they, quite naturally, have a tendency to settle where their relatives live, which is primarily in the suburbs the big cities. When it comes to refugees, each municipality chooses how many to accept. This has let to a situation where virtually none of the rural municipalities accept any refugees. The effect of both these trends is that the suburbs of the big cities (primarily Stockholm, Göteborg and Malmö) have a very large degree of immigrants, many of whom rarely or never leave their neighbourhood. Obviously, in a situation like that, integration is extremely difficult.

To be honest the distribution in the main cities is the same as in most countries as most immigrants go to where they have the own kind, family or work. Rural UK is probably no different to rural Sweden in this respect. Saying that though, there are large parts of the UK without too many immigrants (South West, East Anglia, large parts of Wales and Scotland etc) I`d be very hard to think of a country where recent waves of immigrants have integrated, it normally takes a generation or two for this to happen.

Sneer · 12-03-2009, 01:12 PM

The way i see it, Britain is a democracy, if the BNP were forbidden to voice their views on public television then that, my friends, is meandering into the realms of fascism.

Hopefully most citizens of the UK are intelligent enough to see through the thinly veiled aura of public decency the BNP employs and recognise them for what they are, racists.

The problem i think lies with the working class who, in times of financial struggle, will naturally look for a scapegoat to explain their troubles. I'm from a working class family, and unfortunately my mother voted BNP at the last local elections. Now, i can categorically state that she is not a racist at all. She is a decent, intelligent woman who respects other cultures and ethnicities. I think it was a case of simply having nowhere else to turn. She's well aware of the failings of mainstream politics and the quagmire they've left our country in, and naively she looked at the immigration policies of the BNP and identified them as the only feesable solution to an, at the time, serious problem for her.

I personally do not vote. I appreciate the troubles our forefathers went to make our country a democracy, but any vote i submitted would be a wasted one - and i see no sense in that at all.

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Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	The way i see it, Britain is a democracy, if the BNP were forbidden to voice their views on public television then that, my friends, is meandering into the realms of fascism. Hopefully most citizens of the UK are intelligent enough to see through the thinly veiled aura of public decency the BNP employs and recognise them for what they are, racists. The problem i think lies with the working class who, in times of financial struggle, will naturally look for a scapegoat to explain their troubles. I'm from a working class family, and unfortunately my mother voted BNP at the last local elections. Now, i can categorically state that she is not a racist at all. She is a decent, intelligent woman who respects other cultures and ethnicities. I think it was a case of simply having nowhere else to turn. She's well aware of the failings of mainstream politics and the quagmire they've left our country in, and naively she looked at the immigration policies of the BNP and identified them as the only feesable solution to an, at the time, serious problem for her. I personally do not vote. I appreciate the troubles our forefathers went to make our country a democracy, but any vote i submitted would be a wasted one - and i see no sense in that at all. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show