littleknowitall

As a Welshman even I agree with where you put Plaid in there.

I think my father summed it up best the other day when he said "Life doesn't make politicians son, private schools do" (I paraphrased) fact is, they're not sitting in talks asking each other what's best for this country. They're getting the best for themselves, It's a well paid career for them all not a position in which they can give back to and serve the country.

Flyingpig437

a well paid career that anyone has the chance to pursue.

littleknowitall

True and I'm not disputing that anyone has the right to pursue it I'm merely pointing out that statistically the better educated are going to be from higher paid families and people in the upper classes are always going to get into the private schools and more so schools that might be ladders to this particular career path and also that those people aren't necessarily going to have experienced life in a way in which allows them to see insight into the struggle of the working man.
My point more so is that this of course allows people to see it as a career path rather than a public service not necessarily all the time but if we look at it realistically the majority of the time, I think the expenses scandal gave us insight into just how much respect politicians have for the struggling working class family in the midst of the recession when they clearly, without regard squandered large amounts of tax payers money for their own comfort.

But hey, if you want to argue that a steady stream of honest and hard working individuals from all walks of life have the same opportunity to walk into politics and run this country and further more do so then I look forward to reading what you have to say to sway my opinions of most politicians.

right-track

Oh, really!
The Bullingdon Club;



Notice any familiar faces?

From wiki;

A number of episodes over many decades have become anecdotal evidence of the Club's behaviour. Famously, on 12 May 1894[10][11] and again on 20 February 1927,[12] after dinner, Bullingdon members smashed almost all the glass of the lights and 468 windows in Peckwater Quad of Christ Church, along with the blinds and doors of the building. As a result, the Club was banned from meeting within 15 miles of Oxford.[2]
Whilst still Prince of Wales, Edward VIII had a certain amount of difficulty in getting his parents' permission to join the Bullingdon on account of the Club's reputation. He eventually obtained it only on the understanding that he never join in what was then known as a "Bullingdon blind", a euphemistic phrase for an evening of drink and song. On hearing of his eventual attendance at one such evening, Queen Mary sent him a telegram requesting that he remove his name from the Club.[9][13]
Andrew Gimson, biographer of Boris Johnson, reported about the club in the 1980s: "I don't think an evening would have ended without a restaurant being trashed and being paid for in full, very often in cash. [...] A night in the cells would be regarded as being par for a Buller man and so would debagging anyone who really attracted the irritation of the Buller men"[14]
Dinners in recent years, being relatively low key, have not attracted press attention, though in 2005, following damage to a 15th century pub in Oxfordshire during a dinner, four members of the party were arrested; the incident was widely reported.[15]
In the last few years the Bullingdon has been mentioned in the debates of the House of Commons in order to draw attention to excessive behaviour across the British class spectrum,[16] and to embarrass those increasingly prominent MPs who are former members of the Bullingdon (most notably David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, George Osborne, Shadow Chancellor and Boris Johnson, Mayor of London)

In full...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

Flyingpig437

Working class guys aren't stupid. Lot's of them behave stupidly and indulgently but that's there own stupid fault. I hear sometimes people talk about the link between not being rich and crime like working class burglars, armed robbers etc. have no choice but to steal and rob but there's lots of working class guys who actually manage not to become criminals. If someone's unemployed they're spoilt for choice about what to do to improve they're chance of getting a job and finding something intersting and worthwhile to do with their lives but a lot of them don't 'cause they've got defeatist attitudes.

Flyingpig437

yes...i think so...is that Dennis Skinner 3rd from right at the back?

Flyingpig437

yes...i think so...is that Dennis Skinner 3rd from right at the back?

right-track

Irrespective of class...an idiot, is an idiot.

Flyingpig437

and if the lib dems are going into government with the tories i'll be an idiot if i vote for them ever again.

littleknowitall

Talk of the devils, and not to stray from the discussion but do let's. Anyone else watching BBC one at the moment. If not turn it on and prepare to quiver in fear 'cause now we're up **** creek ladies and gentlemen.