Odyshape

Thanks mang

Harry

god can't be disproven nor proven... agnostic, here.... actually sort of an absurdist, but that's beside the point.

What i don't understand is why atheists and theists alike spend so much time trying to debunk each others beliefs. Who the **** cares what anyone else thinks unless you're genuinely interesting in learning about it. Atheists can go on their "take the word GOD out of the english language" protests a million and one times and theists will still not believe their views, and theists can preach door to door a million and one times and atheists will not believe their views.

And as an absurdist, I sort of believe that if someone wants god to exist, then he does exist. It's all just a dream anyway, isn't it? What the **** is REALITY? Empirically observable, agreed upon, independent and unchangeable... every single thing is only a perception of the mind. The computer is not in front of me right now without all the senses detecting it, a belief that it's there, an understanding by others that it's there, and some sort of independent existence to it... but every single criteria i just described for it being real is just a figment of the mind and NOTHING more. We could all just be brains floating in jars. Thus, if someone wants to believe in god, then got is real and so be it. the only thing that ACTUALLY exists in 'reality' what ever the **** that is, is YOU and only because you contemplate your own existence thus there must be an existence to contemplate!

**** ive done far too much acid in my lifetime.

RVCA

Because the theists are the ones blowing up my trade centers.

I hate people who act like "you believe what you believe, I'll believe what I'll believe, and everyone is happy". No, sorry, you Christians are the ones telling me I'm going to burn eternally in Hell for what I believe. Seems silly of me to just accept that.

Maybe I'm just being a confrontational youth, maybe I'll grow out of this. meh

Harry

Yes, people who blew up the trade centre happened to believe in God. So what? That obviously means all theists are hideous, horrible people. Do you hate Muslims, as well, specifically, because of that fact? I'm sure you could find plenty of atheists who've done awful things as well.

One, it's silly to refer to me as 'you christians' when i clearly just explained that I'm agnostic/absurdist. Honestly all you just did is make you, the atheist, seem like the intolerant one, which it's obvious you are being. I don't understand what's so wrong about telling everyone to mind their own ****ing business. Why is it such a matter to you if an old man wants God to believe in so that he can be at peace on his deathbed and hope that there's something waiting for him? Why's it such a matter to you that someone can use 'God' as hope for a better life?

Humans are creatures of rhyme and reason. We crave purpose. That's why religion and wot was likely formed in the first place. Just as if you may use 'music' to help you cope, who the **** cares if someone uses God.

RVCA

Islam is not a race. I do not hate Muslims because they believe in a hideous, disgusting religion. I hate Islam.

I read your post, I said "you christians" in reference to ALL christians.

Why should I tolerate intolerance?

You'd think so. But have you ever actually read these holy texts?

There are a lot of things in this world that deserve our hate. I hate Islam because its holy book says that I deserve to be killed, for instance. I hate fascism because it's a deranged ideology based upon control and power. I hate socialism for the same reason. I hate Christianity for many of the same reasons I hate Islam.

The point is not that HATE is bad or that ACCEPTANCE is good, but whether we're doing so based upon RATIONAL REASONS.

OPEN-MINDEDNESS is only a virtue if it's tempered with wisdom. Otherwise you'll fall for anything. Ask yourself: why aren't you "open-minded" about Nazism? Or Scientology? Because it's bull****, just like Islam is bull****.

Islam is not a friend of most people. (Neither is any other religion.)

Harry

Then you should hate extremist values, not all values. You can't shove everything into one category.

RVCA

What are "extremist values"? That's an incredibly loose term. The Bible says LOTS of things that you would consider "extremist".

I have to laugh at people who choose to follow a faith, but also disregard the parts of that faith that they don't agree with. What, does your word have more authority than the ultimate creator?

SATCHMO

The paradox is that to hate is to confess one's fear and lack of understanding, which is a call to suspend judgment, not to boldly assert it.
The problem with fundamentalism in any faith, including atheism, is that it only accepts an evenly distributed, literal interpretation of a scripture which must be, in most circumstances, understood figuratively in order to internalize the inherent wisdom that lies within it. To not see this truth, is ignorance, and to react and live one's life on the basis of this falsely knowledge and acquired wisdom is dangerous.

RVCA

Atheism is not a faith, but the lack of misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, and sadomasochistic worldviews and philosophies found in religious faiths that are forced upon us at birth.

I agree.

SATCHMO

Atheism is most certainly a faith. It is a placement of one's belief in the unlimited and inerrant capacity and accuracy of human understanding regarding the nature of absolute reality, and subsequently in the notion that the divine does not exist.

Does not believing in god immunize one from any of the ego's many perversions and their respective worldviews, such as the ones you listed, or is our natural proclivity toward such aberrance? Can religion itself always be used as a scapegoat for the presence of any of these limiting and dangerous world views, or is it our limited understanding of religion and our subsequent corresponding actions and worldviews which produce them? Can faith and reason coexist in an individual, in a community, in a global society, to move beyond such limiting worldviews to expand and evolve consciousness beyond such worldviews?