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Old 06-28-2011, 10:33 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:06 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Maybe if we lived in an ideal society equal work would translate into equal pay, but the reality is that in business and the real world things are much more complicated.

If a man and a women are both doing the same job absolutely equally well, than logically they should both receive equal pay. But then businesses often also operate by giving raises based on performance or loyalty. This is done for moral or in order to encourage future performance or continued work with the company. But this system of pay reward is also often based on the judgement and maintenance of some kind of manager or higher up.

Now whether or not you agree that that system is acceptable, you then have to ask whether legislators and government should be given the power to make these kinds of decisions. The question is often not whether something is right, but whether it is right to regulate.

If I was the owner of a company and I was able to pay female workers less for doing an equal job equally well, then I would only use female workers. Would it be fair? At any rate, it would be a logical business move.

If people believe that women are inferior to men, then it will be their loss when they loose the skills possessed by women. That is a societal issue that can only be combatted by education and will never be fixed by legislative measures.

The real question is whether it is right for the government to impose equal pay measures on companies. Not whether equal pay is right.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:56 PM   #83 (permalink)
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then you have to consider the "glass ceiling"

most employers will deny it exists, but it invariably does exist
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:26 AM   #84 (permalink)
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The real question is whether it is right for the government to impose equal pay measures on companies. Not whether equal pay is right.
I think there was supposed to be an "attempt" in that statement.

They can attempt to impose equal pay measures but it surely isn't going to work.

Some may say that legislation are the small steps towards the bigger goal just like when slavery was first abolished, people still owned slaves and it didn't change much but over time it had an impact
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:34 AM   #85 (permalink)
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I always like to say no to these questions to get people stirred up, but it just isn't the truth.

On the rare occassion that a woman can do a job as well or better than a man, pay them. But, the reality is, most can't. It always seems like women are fighting to get something they haven't earned yet. Just an observation.

But if the job performance is equal, truly EQUAL, the pay should be also.
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:53 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Then you'd basically be dooming most women to either get married and have their husbands support them, or just not have children. How many women can afford to take unpaid maternity leave, and then actually raise the damn kid?
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Then you'd basically be dooming most women to either get married and have their husbands support them, or just not have children. How many women can afford to take unpaid maternity leave, and then actually raise the damn kid?
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Not in 1st world countries it's not.
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marriage is still some sort of sanctity round these parts
So, oppress women to preserve the sanctity of marriage? No thanks. I consider the actual well being of people to be more important than some book(what ever that book happens to be).
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So, oppress women to preserve the sanctity of marriage? No thanks. I consider the actual well being of people to be more important than some book(what ever that book happens to be).
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