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Old 08-29-2011, 04:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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As with the Bible, you can read the Quran as you want so that it conforms with your world view. If you wanna be a misogynic asshole who treats women like shit, you can justification for that in the Quran. Likewise, if you believe in equal treatment, you can also find grounds for that.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:23 AM   #22 (permalink)
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As with the Bible, you can read the Quran as you want so that it conforms with your world view. If you wanna be a misogynic asshole who treats women like shit, you can justification for that in the Quran. Likewise, if you believe in equal treatment, you can also find grounds for that.
Yeah but it's more than just your world view when your government starts cherry picking parts of it and making their people be accountable by those standards
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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One of the major issues with Muslim countries is the integration of religion with state. Someone once said to me that Saudi Arabia's the worst country to have a good night out in, because you can't drink and can't pick up any girls, because you have to play by their rules, Muslim or not. And the reason you can't pick up girls? Islam is ideally a religion that's protective towards women. In a way, it's sexist and oppressive, as it suggests that they're unable to be their own people without a man to lead them and that they aren't capable of doing many of the things men are. But in another way, it's also good to women, as it basically teaches of respect for them. The fundamental idea of the burqa is that it stops women being attractive to any random blokes in the street, which in a way gives women a hell of a lot more respect as people than the bullshyte they've got on them in the Bible. Traditional Buddhism is similar, as they're both about putting restrictions on women, but supposedly for their own good and to garner them respect. Sadly, it's a bit of an outdated approach now, and in feminist mode, I'd edge towards saying that the most familar forms of modern Islam aren't exactly keeping up with the idea of respect.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:09 PM   #25 (permalink)
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As with the Bible, you can read the Quran as you want so that it conforms with your world view. If you wanna be a misogynic ******* who treats women like ****, you can justification for that in the Quran. Likewise, if you believe in equal treatment, you can also find grounds for that.
Again, why this obsession with the false equivalencies? The vast majority of the horribly misogynistic passages in the Bible are in the Old Testament; and all major denominations of Christianity have always placed more emphasis on the New Testament. Notice that when Christian organizations developed in geographic isolation; such as, say, Coptic Christians or Oriental Orthodox, their theology developed was - such as that in the West - focused on the New Testament rather than the old.

Contrast this to Islam, which has produced oppression for women everywhere; from China to Morocco, Chechnya to India, the Philippines to Nigeria. That was see this oppression across all major sects of Islam, when coupled with Geographic diversity and the diversity of cultures prior to the introduction of Islam, tells us - quite clearly - that, yes, Islam is a fundamentally sexist religion.

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wtf? The bullseye the Bible puts on them? Really? Please, please state what you mean.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:29 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Again, why this obsession with the false equivalencies? The vast majority of the horribly misogynistic passages in the Bible are in the Old Testament; and all major denominations of Christianity have always placed more emphasis on the New Testament. Notice that when Christian organizations developed in geographic isolation; such as, say, Coptic Christians or Oriental Orthodox, their theology developed was - such as that in the West - focused on the New Testament rather than the old.
There are many passages in the Old Testament that just don't seem right, (I wouldn't throw it under the bus because of it) maybe it's not so apparent but when one reads the stories of the OT and looks at the bigger picture, (not just a passage here or there) women do have import roles. imo the idea of equality of women we have today starts in the Old Testament.
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Old 08-30-2011, 02:39 AM   #27 (permalink)
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wtf? The bullseye the Bible puts on them? Really? Please, please state what you mean.
I just played around with spelling of bull****, because I'm cool like that. What I was saying is that the Bible doesn't even try to be fair and equitable to women. Yes, there's the whole 'he created man and women in his own image'. Yes, it frequently states that we're all important to god, regardless of gender. But then read some of the letters in the New Testament and some of the treatments of women in the Old. Jesus didn't have any female disciples, despite having multiple followers. Women are supposedly not allowed to speak in church or unless spoken to anywhere. Hell, women were sort of even blamed for the entire downfall and sin of man. Sure, Islam also has plenty of sexism and oppressive actions in it. But at least they try to do it for the right cause. Assuming that the Qu'ran was written by a man (I know Muslims believe it's directly the word of Allah, but I don't so I'm referring to the man that I believe penned it) he was of course living in a much older and constrasting culture to the one we live in today. Due to the nature of pretty much any patriarchy, women would have inevitably been used as objects, servants and lower beings by many people. So by setting up this whole system, he, at least in his mind, tried to give women a bit of freedom and fairness.
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^^Mary Magdalene is a disciple of Christ
As with much of the Christ myth, she too is a debatable subject and possibly never existed either.
The Word Magda is a title meaning "Great Lady" just like Christ (Khristós) means "the Anointed One". The Queen of Sheba (King Solomon's mistress) was also called The Magda.
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The fundamental idea of the burqa is that it stops women being attractive to any random blokes in the street
Meanwhile, there's some guy somewhere jacking off to a pinup of a woman in a burqa.
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