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Blankety I am glad u posted that video, they wanted scientific evidence now they have it, but u watch they will disregard it because it will mean that they have to swallow their pride and admit they aren't quite right, pride comes before the fall. Let the wise become a fool that he may become wise., and blankety if u would post part 2 of that video, it shows how to apply all of that knowedge in our lives. And everyone can see for themselves. And I would suggest every one check out on u tube the "down the rabbit hole" series. Yall want scientific evidence there it is see for yourself. You know how they r if it Isnt on wikapedia it ain't true. Hahaha it is scary when u first realize that everything you have been taught isn't true, the dark night of the soul.

Unknown Soldier

Just been looking at the last few pages of this thread and never realized that there were so many atheists and agnostics on here!

seekn4

There is a power inside all of us that the majority fear, even the athiest have it and our power is through our beliefs, those that say they can't, and those that say they can are both usually right. A belief is nothing more than a thought u choose to keep thinking. What u believe will be done unto u. Human evolution is done on the inside.

seekn4

With that statement. How r u any different than the religous radicals that u say u dispise? If we hate anything as individuals is just a reflection of ourseves that we r seeing, so all u hate is yourself at the end of the day.

Guybrush

What?

I don't understand. I don't know the origins of the word evolution. I've always assumed it existed before Darwin's theory was formulated. You're quoting the bible here. What are you trying to tell us?

This is quite vague. I discuss a lot on forums so unless you give me more to go on, I doubt I'll remember.

How so? We didn't evolve to walk on water.

I don't know what sort of environment humans will live in so it's impossible to tell. What I mean is we're headed for a wealth of problems as you know, overpopulation in particular. There may be famine, war.

I generally hope and believe "modern" civilization will prevail. Humans living in a societal environment are generally rewarded for intelligence and social abilities and so I think those are traits that will continue to develop in a positive sense in humans. We will become less selfish smarter and better at cooperation.

That's a mere guess, though. How we evolve depends on the environment and that is ever changing. Who knows what our planet looks like in a thousand or even a million years from now?

I watched the start, but I don't have time to watch all of it. It is 3 hours long after all. It's nice that he speaks a positive message, but I don't agree with his "facts". He only says they are facts, but he never cites a source. The same goes every time he refers to something as science. One of his early slides contain the following :

1. An intelligent field of energy unites the universe!
2. Our bodies and our world materialize from this field!
3. Emotion is the language that translates the quantum possibilities of the Field into the Reality of our world!

He could not possibly not for sure, but claims all this is fact and I am always suspicious when people claim absolute truth. From reading your posts, Blankety, I would assume you are as well. I am also suspicious when people who are not physicists use words like quantum in slides intended for common people. Most people don't know what these words mean and that makes it possible (likely?) that these terms are used as a way to manipulate.

I checked Gregg Braden out. He has no scientific publications under his belt as far as I can see (only "alternative" books) and he claims to know stuff like how to cure cancer in a matter of minutes. I get the feeling he doesn't know what cancer is or what causes it. Not only does it smell of quack, but it offends me morally. In the end, I find just about everything there is about this guy highly suspicious and would like to remind anyone watching or reading his messages to not be gullible.

edit :

I'm more likely to agree with the author of this blog than Gregg himself -> http://jengajam.wordpress.com/2011/0...-harder-dammit

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skaltezon

I see that now. Damn me, anyhow.

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FYI tore gregg braden never claimed that he cured cancer in three minutes he presented a video that was done in a medicineless hospital in china, u can't even repeat something u just heard correctly. And again u just don't understand if your mind is already made up what is real and what is not, your ego won't allow u to gain any more knowlege than u already HAVE. Remember when we all were teenagers and thought we knew everything, and low an behold a few years later we learned that we knew jack ****, and then we thought we had it all figured out again and then a few years later learned we knew jack ****, u see a pattern emerging. Might want to keep an open mind. And actually form an opinion all on your own that isn't someone elses, that is only after u have seen all information WITH YOUR OWN EYES, AND ACTUALLY READ A BOOK OR SOMETHING. IF WE WANT YOUR OPINION TORE, ALL WE GOT TO DO IS GO TO WIKAPEDIA, SO U MIGHT AS WELL JUST CUT AND PASTE INSTEAD OF DOING ALL OF THAT TYPING, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHLMFAO. U can believe this if u want, I don't really care , but the cause of cancer and all sickness is negative emotions. Science has proven when a person is feeling love or any other positive emotion our brain produces all the right chemicals for immunity. And when u are feeling neg emotions ur body isn't. Proving god, which is love heals. All the evidence is out there proving god if u seek it. But if u don't seek it u won't find it guaranteed. Wikapedia is your god, all knowing and omnipotent, hahahahahaha SOMEONE SHOULD REPORT TOR FOR SOLICITATION, I THINK HE IS A MARKETING REP FOR WIKAPEDIA, LMFAO, I THINK I'M GOING TO QUIT MY JOB AND BECOME A COMEDIAN,, just one more question tore, u probably watched only 15 bin of a video and already formed an opinion, for a man of science that isn't very scientific. Like I said before all we hate in this world r reflections of ourselves., now I got to bust out some vintage slang, BOOYAA! And I think u just don't know what quantum means, see if u want to learn anything new u have to do some research, quantum is just another word for endless, infinite. If u listen to some one with the attitude that u r right and they r wrong your brain won't let u learn, if u take the attitude that maybe this guy might know somethin I dont, and has seen thing I haven't seen, believe me u will start absorbing information, but if u don't u won't. A scientist doesn't even form an opinion until all sides r considered, and u have so much faith in science and don't even practice it. If u had that much blind faith in god u would probably be walking on water by now. Lol

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Please knock it off with the personal attacks and trolling.

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Guybrush

My mind's not closed. I'm learning something new every day. I'm just picky with what I accept as fact or not, real or not. Generally speaking, the more outrageous a claim is, the more convincing evidence I want before I accept it as true. If I see the claim that, for example, people are able to walk on water because quarks are not subject to gravity, then I find that claim to be pretty outrageous because the physics behind it sound bogus to me and people are generally not able to walk on water. If the day comes and scientific publications clearly show how it is indeed possible, then I will accept it, no problem.

You see, before I accept a statement as true, it has to pass some sort of quality control. Do you have a quality control or is your mind open to all sorts of ideas, regardless of whether they're wrong or right?

Generally speaking, cancer is caused by mutations. Carcinogens, that are things that cause cancer, do so either because they directly disrupt your DNA - a good example is radiation such as gamma radiation - or they disrupt cellular processes which in turn causes mutations in DNA.

If negative emotions are the cause of cancer, then you would expect only people with negative emotions to get it. Yet there are negative people who don't get cancer and positive people who do get cancer. Even children who probably don't know what it is get cancer. If you're in an unfortunate minority, you can be genetically predisposed to cancer which can really worsen your chances. The point is your idea of how the world works does not fit the observations.

Positive emotions and belief is good for your health, no doubt about it. It's probably been explained 100 times before on this forum, but do you know what a placebo effect is? A placebo effect is when someone's health reacts positively to something which has no medical effect. It is when someone gets well because they get sugar pills which they believe to be real medicine. Placebo effect is a power of the mind and yes, it is real. For that reason, if you give someone something to make them well - when they get better, it's hard to know if it's the medicine you gave them or just a placebo effect. This is why, when new drugs are tested, some people are given placebo pills while others get the real medicine. For a new medicine to get accepted, it has to do better than the placebo effect. That is people who get the medicine need to have significantly better health effects from their pills than the ones who get the placebo pills. That is how we know medicine works - it's better than the power of the mind alone.

Placebo effects have been studied for a long time. And while they can't help you with every medical problem, wishful/positive/hopeful thinking can do a lot for people's health, but that's the limit. It can't make you walk on water, can't make you fly, can't make you read minds and it doesn't turn you into Harry Potter or Jesus. If you claim it can, the burden of proof is on you.


Blankety Blank, I forgot to comment on it, but burden of proof means when someone makes an outrageous statement, they should back that statement up with evidence if they want to be believed or taken seriously in the discussion. If someone tells you they can lift a bulldozer over their head, then you might say "prove it - lift the bulldozer". The burden of proof is on the guy because he claims to be able to do something no human being has ever been documented of being able to do. Imagine if the strong guy, when faced with your request for proof, just says "prove to me I can not".

That basically happens a lot during these discussions.

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seekn4

All I'm saying guy is to believe anything is impossible is just plain foolish, if u were alive 100 years ago u would have believed that going to space was impossible, now how many other generations believed something was impossible and were proved wrong. There are people who actually walk on 1700 degree hot coals and their flesh doesn't get burned, according to yalls believes that is impossible yet it happens, its even in the guineas book, and what allows them to do that is their beliefs, so maybe we shotuld take a little more head to the power of our beliefs. There is more than u can even imagine in this world. And with the internet nothing is hid. And there is mo proof that carcinogens cause cancer, according to all the studies we can't get away com them they r in just about everything we come in contact with, so y don't we all get cancer. There are too many questions to be raised to have any degree of certainty on that subject, still theory. Matters of faith and belief can't be proven to anyone else but yourself by searching within yourself. And your definition of an open mind must be flawed, cause to not believe that anything can be possible is not an open mind. And one day u will be that guy that didn't believe that going to space was possibe and watching the first space flight. And the laws of physics have changed in the recent year u might want to study up on quantum physics, not wikapedia, but actually study until u understand what they r saying, maybe research the double slit experiments to start. Not to be rude but its like nobody knows anything unless its been on the news, the mainstream, reports science things 10 years after the experiments have been in the works, the double slit experiment is 20 years old and nobody has heard of it. Y because it blows the doors off of everything we have been taught to believe. With what we have seen in history to belive something is impossible is more foolish than to believe anything is impossible. If u want your proof that our belief can actually change the way sub atomic particles react I suggest u take a month or two and study quantum physics