U.S. Election Day — Obama vs. Romney

hip hop bunny hop · 10-23-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Now – There are a lot of people around here who want to vote for Jill Stein. They want to do this for the same reason some clueless cave-dwellers wanted to vote for Denis Kucinich in 2008. Its got to do largely in part with the war. They don’t like drone strikes, they don’t like Afghanistan, they don’t like that we have 50,000 troops in Iraq (which is the same number we have in Germany, Iraq is actually bigger than Germany). Now if you’re naïve enough to ask them what we should do, you’re going to get a great deal of rambling on about untenable solutions. Really? Just pull out tomorrow? What then of the people who stepped up to help us there? What of the women who are treated as second class citizens if not beaten, raped, or murdered?

If you trusted Obama’s judgement on multiple issues, and liked how Libya was handled (as I do), then why get your boxers in a twist over this? They do it because they don’t have a thought on the matter other than “Killing is bad.” And to this end, the far left starts to look a lot like the Tea Party in that they don’t have a solution, they just don’t like the way things are going. Well, I don’t like it with the far right, and I won’t tolerate it with the far left.

#1: lolwut? You think we should use our military to prevent rape in foreign countries?

#2: Libya was & is a cluster****. I wouldn't call a military intervention in a country which has zero strategic value to the US, which has such massive spillover that destabilized Mali leaving half the country in the hands of Islamic insurgents.... FFS, how can you call Libya a success when our ambassador was killed there?

TheBig3 · 10-23-2012, 01:56 PM

Call me when your response doesn't include "lolwut" and doesn't invent positions through an intentional misread.

hip hop bunny hop · 10-23-2012, 03:34 PM

You said; "If you trusted Obama’s judgement on multiple issues, and liked how Libya was handled (as I do)".

So how am I inventing a position? Ditto for you stating, among reasons for keeping troops in Iraq, "What of the women who are treated as second class citizens if not beaten, raped, or murdered?"

blastingas10 · 10-23-2012, 03:36 PM

Looks like I support Gary Johnson according to isidewith.com

TheBig3 · 10-23-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

You said; "If you trusted Obama’s judgement on multiple issues, and liked how Libya was handled (as I do)".

So how am I inventing a position? Ditto for you stating, among reasons for keeping troops in Iraq, "What of the women who are treated as second class citizens if not beaten, raped, or murdered?"

Libya was handled just about as perfectly as I could imagine. The Ambassador died 1 year after the dictators removal.

You invented the "we should stay in a country to prevent women from being raped" part, which is neither a reason for intervention, nor what I said. My point, since it looks like I'll need to spoon-feed you, is that Liberals are generally in support of all the our military is holding back over there when it comes to women, certainly more than if we were to leave. So my wondering was how they reconcile their position on the war, with the results it would create.

ribbons · 10-23-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Looks like I support Gary Johnson according to isidewith.com

Looks like I support Jill Stein 96%, Rocky Anderson 87%, Gary Johnson 77%, Barack Obama 70%, Mitt Romney 31%, and Virgil Goode 5%.

I'm voting for President Obama, though.

hip hop bunny hop · 10-23-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Libya was handled just about as perfectly as I could imagine. The Ambassador died 1 year after the dictators removal.

You mean one year after we removed the ruler of Libya who opposed Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda killed Americans in Libya. How is that not a massive failure?

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

You invented the "we should stay in a country to prevent women from being raped" part, which is neither a reason for intervention, nor what I said. My point, since it looks like I'll need to spoon-feed you, is that Liberals are generally in support of all the our military is holding back over there when it comes to women, certainly more than if we were to leave. So my wondering was how they reconcile their position on the war, with the results it would create.

If it's not a reason to invade, why is it a reason to stay?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-23-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Libya was handled just about as perfectly as I could imagine. The Ambassador died 1 year after the dictators removal.

You invented the "we should stay in a country to prevent women from being raped" part, which is neither a reason for intervention, nor what I said. My point, since it looks like I'll need to spoon-feed you, is that Liberals are generally in support of all the our military is holding back over there when it comes to women, certainly more than if we were to leave. So my wondering was how they reconcile their position on the war, with the results it would create.

Team Big3 right here. Someone who knows how to write coherent and intelligent posts during debates.

NSW · 10-23-2012, 08:33 PM

Big3 for President!

Seriously though man, as a person who has little to no interest in politics (I've heard the "well you should" speech, so spare me), you've written something that is clear, concise, and has actually piqued my interest in looking into each parties policies a bit more. More informative than anything else I've read online about this year's election. Although I must admit all my exposure comes from reading Stephen Colbert's and John Cusack's twitter feeds, so take that how you want.

anticipation · 10-23-2012, 10:32 PM

I find it laughable that no one here seems to know that Libya was entirely orchestrated, funded, and devised by our government and their affiliated agencies. If you'd do 2 minutes of research and see the government contractors teaching "rioting, freedom-seeking Libyans" (AKA foreign Al Qaeda agents) how to shoot RPG's and use weapons provided by the U.S. And also that you're all so smug in your ignorance

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10-23-2012, 01:56 PM	#252 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Call me when your response doesn't include "lolwut" and doesn't invent positions through an intentional misread. __________________ I've moved to a new address

10-23-2012, 03:34 PM	#253 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	You said; "If you trusted Obama’s judgement on multiple issues, and liked how Libya was handled (as I do)". So how am I inventing a position? Ditto for you stating, among reasons for keeping troops in Iraq, "What of the women who are treated as second class citizens if not beaten, raped, or murdered?" __________________ Have mercy on the poor.

10-23-2012, 08:33 PM	#259 (permalink)
NSW Bigger and Better Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas girl living in the UK Posts: 2,596	Big3 for President! Seriously though man, as a person who has little to no interest in politics (I've heard the "well you should" speech, so spare me), you've written something that is clear, concise, and has actually piqued my interest in looking into each parties policies a bit more. More informative than anything else I've read online about this year's election. Although I must admit all my exposure comes from reading Stephen Colbert's and John Cusack's twitter feeds, so take that how you want. __________________ Hi.

10-23-2012, 03:36 PM	#254 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Looks like I support Gary Johnson according to isidewith.com

10-23-2012, 10:32 PM	#260 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	I find it laughable that no one here seems to know that Libya was entirely orchestrated, funded, and devised by our government and their affiliated agencies. If you'd do 2 minutes of research and see the government contractors teaching "rioting, freedom-seeking Libyans" (AKA foreign Al Qaeda agents) how to shoot RPG's and use weapons provided by the U.S. And also that you're all so smug in your ignorance