Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1247693)

Wiki and a few other lists. It shows those cities to be in the top ten PER CAPITA for murders. I don't recall saying they were the top ten largest. I didn't look up other crime data just MURDERS.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1247695)

Right, but look back at the conversation. I said Philly had the worst crime rate of the ten largest cities in the country and you responded by bringing up two cities which aren't among the ten largest.

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1247699)

I was responding to The meh Phillys worse comment. I had no idea you said anything about top ten largest cities, as I noticed the thread at that point in the conversation. I understand Philly has twice the population of detroit and New Orleans.

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1247685)

So what do you propose, if enforcement measures were taken away from the Police in order to maintain the laws that society has made?

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1247700)

Okay, but the "meh, Philly's worse" comment wasn't about saying Philly is the scariest place in America (I obviously don't think that since I continue to live here), it was me pointing out that Chicago (another city that I've lived in and one which I love dearly) isn't nearly as bad as people in this thread were making it out to be.

Originally Posted by A$AP Sparky (Post 1247787)

Come to Minneapolis. I have lived in Copenhagen prior to that. Minneapolis is a nice city, though in its past, it has had issues with crime.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1247657)

But, the point is that they do have the right to use violence as a last resort. It's where all their authority rests on. When the police pull you over for a traffic violation, there is an understanding that if you don't stop they have the power to physically find a way to stop your car, and if you continue to resist, they can shoot you (or physically restrain you, which won't be done with a pillow fight). If they give you a ticket, you then have to show up in court. If you don't show up to court, they put out a warrant for you, and will then arrest you. If you resist, they can and will use violence to subdue you. In any conceivable situation, no matter how unlikely, ultimately they have the power of violence over you. If you a police officer steps on your foot, you can tell him to **** off, but you can't push him like you might be able to do to someone else, because you are then assaulting a police officer, and then you will be arrested, blah, blah, blah.