Children killed in Connecticut school shooting (likely 27 dead,including 18 children)

Guybrush · 12-15-2012, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Its cool, sorry bout the typos this things a pain in the ass. You should YouTube "gangland" in America and type in crip or blood or Mexican Mafia or aryian brotherhood. That's who will control the sale of guns in America if their ever banned legally. Tell me what you think.

I'm thinking I would never buy a gun illegally (and can't buy one legally) and so if I should ever get crazy enough to want to shoot friends or family or some guy whose care I just bumped into, that would not be an option for me. If someone broke into my home, shooting them wouldn't be an option, but that's fine because I'd rather lose a TV or a stereo than become someone who shoots other people. If some criminal does break into my home, I have less reason to believe the criminal does carry a gun because they are likely harder to get a hold of, even if getting one is still a possibility. F.ex not only would you have to get in contact with the right people, but illegal guns could be very expensive. I believe I would feel safer around other people, and by extension in my community, if I don't have to worry that the guy cutting in the taxi line or that prick of a neighbour whose dog I accidentally hit with my car might also carry a gun in his pocket or keep one in his house.

I'm thinking less fear, less violence. You could have the same sort of crime, but perhaps that crime would be less violent because the threat of someone bringing a firearm into it is much smaller.

**Janszoon** · 12-15-2012, 06:07 AM

I woke up this morning to more detail about this horrible story. It's just so awful. But the heroism I'm hearing about on the part of some of the teachers is amazing.

TheBig3 · 12-15-2012, 09:09 AM

I'd love to see how this goes over.

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

His mother, a rigid primary school teacher had an m4. Assault rifle?....

I assume you've never taught in America.

GuitarBizarre · 12-15-2012, 09:19 AM

My personal view?

If your country is in a position whereby removing or restricting the right to own guns will genuinely be a bad idea because of the potential for people to react badly, or because there is such a demand for these things that illegal trafficking would be an unstoppable force, then frankly, things probably got screwed up long enough ago that nothing can help in the present day.

Amusingly, this also works for tobacco and alcohol.

The problem isn't that gun control doesn't work. The problem is that so much of the American population doesn't want it to be ABLE to work.

TheBig3 · 12-15-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

The problem isn't that gun control doesn't work. The problem is that so much of the American population doesn't want it to be ABLE to work.

But it also doesn't work.

The best gun control you can have is a good economy, a minimum wage that keeps pace with inflation, and medical service that meet the needs of the population, especially mental health services.

Taking away guns won't stop someone from making a bomb, or poisoning food. You need to remove the impetus from the individuals.

GuitarBizarre · 12-15-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

But it also doesn't work.

The best gun control you can have is a good economy, a minimum wage that keeps pace with inflation, and medical service that meet the needs of the population, especially mental health services.

Taking away guns won't stop someone from making a bomb, or poisoning food. You need to remove the impetus from the individuals.

Gun deaths in the UK last year numbered 39.

Gun homicides in the US in 2012 were 14,159.

Thats 5x our population, yet 363x our gun death rate in murders alone. And the figure I used in the UK was total, the US figure was homicides only, IE did not include accidents. What figures could you bring to me that negate this?

**Janszoon** · 12-15-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Taking away guns won't stop someone from making a bomb, or poisoning food. You need to remove the impetus from the individuals.

I'd say guns lend themselves a lot more to spontaneous violence than building a bomb or poisoning food though.

Newkie · 12-15-2012, 10:16 AM

Very sad news indeed.

I don't think any amount of weapon control or freedom of use will stop these actions. It's part and parcel of human nature, unfortunately. But that being said, I'll take my chances in a society of knife crime over gun crime.

duga · 12-15-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I'd love to see how this goes over.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

But it also doesn't work.

The best gun control you can have is a good economy, a minimum wage that keeps pace with inflation, and medical service that meet the needs of the population, especially mental health services.

Taking away guns won't stop someone from making a bomb, or poisoning food. You need to remove the impetus from the individuals.

This kind of thinking is a result of not seeing the big picture or thinking about things further in the future. Enacting harsher gun control laws NOW wouldn't do anything. The guns are still out there. It would take a long long time to see the effect of these laws. Hell, it's not even the laws that are the point. It's that these would at least spark a shift in our reverence for guns. This is something I think we can all agree needs to happen and since it will take so long why not do it NOW.

TheBig3 · 12-15-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'd say guns lend themselves a lot more to spontaneous violence than building a bomb or poisoning food though.

Thats a fair point, but it suggests that these are acts of rage, when often they appear to be acts of mental illness.

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Originally Posted by duga

This kind of thinking is a result of not seeing the big picture or thinking about things further in the future. Enacting harsher gun control laws NOW wouldn't do anything. The guns are still out there. It would take a long long time to see the effect of these laws. Hell, it's not even the laws that are the point. It's that these would at least spark a shift in our reverence for guns. This is something I think we can all agree needs to happen and since it will take so long why not do it NOW.

Well I certainly think the NRA has too much power over Congress. The fact that the automatic weapons ban, signed by 4 Presidents, was allowed to expire under our former President is absurd. No one needs an automotic weapon. That alone displays the fear of rising against the NRA. If not in early 2013, we may not have another chance and its time to take these things down again.

Also, I don't mind gun control. We have tons of it here in MA and people can still obtain guns, so the idea of it preventing "good people" from having guns is absurd. That being said, I still think the big issue with these mass killings is a lack of healthcare services available for people.Its a concern we need to address immedaitely. And more paranoid schizophrenics are resistent to it, so we need to recreate institutions with a emphasis on care and not locking someone up.

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Newkie Boozy Lad Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 482	Very sad news indeed. I don't think any amount of weapon control or freedom of use will stop these actions. It's part and parcel of human nature, unfortunately. But that being said, I'll take my chances in a society of knife crime over gun crime.