Marte Deborah Dalelv Rape Incident
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I first posted about this in the Rape - Whose Fault Is It?, but while it relates strongly to the theme of that thread, I think it deserves its own. Marte Deborah Dalelv is a 24 year old Norwegian woman who was raped by a colleague on a business trip to Dubai. Immediately after escaping her rapist, she reported the incident to the police who responded by jailing her. She has been imprisoned for sex outside marriage which is illegal under sharia law. The fact this sex was forced on her against her will doesn't seem important. This happened four months ago. She has now been sentenced to 16 months in prison and is having trouble paying her legal fees. Her employers, The One Planet, who should have helped her out have instead fired her. I want to post about it here in its own thread because I think more awareness regarding this will put more pressure on Dubai to release Marte so she can come home. Also, this should be an important reminder that women especially should be careful when travelling abroad to countries where women are oppressed. Me and my wife have taken Dubai off our list of holiday destinations. |
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If anyone wants to try and help out Marte Deborah Dalelv who has been imprisoned in Dubai due to her own rape, here are some suggestions to some simple things you can do.
Finally, Marte was also fired by her employer, The One Planet, for her behaviour. Considering this happened on her business trip, I am horrified that they would not support her like helping her out with legal fees. If I travel abroad on a business trip, I am well insured and assume my employer would help me out should I become the victim of a crime, as any employer should. I sent an email to them. If you want to complain to them, their facebook page is here (though it may be down at the moment) and their twitter is here. You can also send an email to them at the following adress : theone@theone.com If you want to send them something, but don't know what to write, you can copy and paste this text which was written by Norwegian blogger Gunnar Tjomlid. Quote:
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I was not aware of this and I'm outraged and mortified.
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I've signed the petition and shared it with Facebook. Poor woman. I can't even imagine what she must be going through mentally right now from not only being raped but being imprisoned for having sex out of marriage. How can they force their religious laws on her? She's from Norway and she's not Muslim so how can they do it?!
After being raped she needs support, especially for her mental health. She must be so frightened. If she doesn't speak Arabic it may be making it even more difficult for her. :( |
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I signed the petition and shared a link on my facebook page (first post of mine since June 11) so I'm hoping that will gain some traction as a few people on my friends list are pretty active with petitions.
This is truly disgusting though and yet another reason to never visit Dubai. This is one of those situations where Anonymous actually come in handy as they can at least ruin the life of the rapist and make life an uncomfortable hell for The One Planet as they have to shelter this shit storm. |
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Senators Murray and Cantwell will be hearing from me. I would ask every American I know to communicate the offices of their state senators as well.
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Thanks for posting the links, Tore. I also have signed, e-mailed, and shared via social media.
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When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman. |
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Also, why is it that muslims (let's select them as this is revelant to them) seem to think they can follow their own law in the UK, flouting English law, but when an English person goes to one of the countries where Sharia law is in force they have to abide by that? Double standard or what? |
Tore, what if anything are the Norwegian government doing about this? I assume they've at least lodged a protest, sent a representative to Dubai?
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I assume they are trying to negotiate some sort of return to home as well. Charges dropped is of course what I am hoping for. I imagine that if things do not go quite that well, perhaps they could negotiate that she does her time in a Norwegian prison. A Norwegian girl doing time in a Norwegian prison for having sex outside of marriage when she was raped is, of course, ridiculous .. but perhaps she'd think it preferable to doing time in Dubai and I assume she should get her sentence reduced if this was the final outcome. By the way, thanks to everyone who have shared this, signed the petition, or otherwise contributed :) Hopefully, it helps her! |
This has made my blood boil! I swear, I need to calm down...
For those who are interested, this is the email I sent TheOne... Dear Sir (I'm assuming those in charge are male, as a woman would not abandon another woman in this shameful, cowardly way!) I read with mounting horror, disbelief and finally disgust the account of your ex-employee Marte Deborah Dalelv and the position she has been put in. I can only say I am aghast that a firm could indulge in such reprehensible behaviour. You have totally abrogated your responsibility to your employee, and condemned her to a frightening ordeal, which she should not in any way be subject to. Moreover, you have sent a very clear and wrong message to others who seek to rape and abuse tourists in Dubai and other countries where Sharia Law is in force, and you have made it quite clear you have no problem with these criminals getting away with such behaviour. You have set a very dark and troubling precedent, and ensured that this law, which most right-thinking people see as not only draconian but irrelevant and outdated, will continue to be practiced and forced upon those who do not even come under the umbrella of the religion which it claims to represent. Not only have you failed as employers, but you have failed miserably as human beings. Anyone could see this is a travesty of justice, but instead of standing up for and helping Ms. Dalelv you took the cowardly and craven way out, backing away out of the controversy no doubt in the fear that your mighty name might be linked to the scandal, without giving a shred of thought to the fate of your former employee. Would you, I am forced to wonder, have done so if the object of this arrest had been a man? Your behaviour is unconscionable, almost defies belief and is without question misogynistic in the worst way. I truly hope you see the error of your ways before it is too late, and your company goes down in history as one which abandons its staff and allows foreign law to ride roughshod over them. Yours in total disgust Deryck O'Byrne Dublin Ireland |
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Somewhat positive news, the Norwegian minister of foreign affairs, Espen Barth Eide, called Marte himself and told him they would do what they could to get her back to Norway. To Dagbladet, one of Norways big tabloid newspapers, she thanks everyone who supported her. |
i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.
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When I was in the service, I spent a lot time in the Muslim countries. F-uck the Muslim countries.
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Also, has anyone any information on what, if anything, happened to the rapist, or did he just go his merry way, looking for some other westerner to rape with, it would seem, the full tacit approval of the law???? :banghead: |
Oh, and thanks for the compliment tore! I just felt I had to do something, and it's one case where my small talent could come in handy, and be used for good rather than evil. ;) Seriously, I was shaking while typing that. I composed it in my head as I made dinner and once I had eaten I had to get it down on paper (as it were) while it was still fresh. My anger was such that I made more than a few spelling mistakes, and had to proof-read it once or twice.
Of course, they'll ignore it but at least I feel like I did something positive. Great news about the Norwegian govt. Hope it comes through quickly for her. Wonder what they think about it (really, not just the state spin story) in Dubai itself? |
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It's unfortunate what happened to this lady, but I don't see how this bizarre liberal proselytism will amount to anything positive in the realm of international relations, and I certainly don't see how it'll change how persons with the UAE view women. |
Sheikha Mahra Princesse Of Dubai (that's her name on Facebook) has very carefully posted a link to the "Release Marte Deborah Dalelv" facebook page, so that's good. It seems more countries are picking up the news as well which is also good.
As for the rapist, he too was convicted for sex outside of marriage (but not rape) and got less time than she did. 13 months I think it was? Not only did he rape her, but also put her in the situation she is currently in. What a dick! edit : Quote:
She was on a business trip. Your devil's advocate schtick is getting a little contrived. |
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Where can't you get raped in the world? Considering she went to the police for help, it is apparent it didn't really occur to her that she could get arrested for doing so. I guess she didn't know better. Does the outrageous sense of entitlement she must have felt while down there provoke you? |
In Muslim-controlled Malaysia, a Chinese couple was arrested and face 8 years in prison charged with sedition for the unspeakable crime of posting a photo of themselves in Facebook eating pork during Ramadan. Muslims, as we know, are forbidden to eat pork but this couple isn't Muslim!!
Sex Bloggers Could Face Years in Prison for Posting Pork-Themed Facebook Photo That Infuriated Malaysian Muslims | TheBlaze.com Btw, I was in Dubai, UAE and found it a very neat, orderly looking place but, like any Muslim country you go to, it has a VERY seamy underside that you don't want to run afoul of for any reason. |
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This is awful, I have signed the petition and all.
The whole conviction in another country thing is something that happens a lot to Australians who holiday in Asia. Because Asia is so close to Australia, many Australians travel and holiday there often. So many of them get convicted of things like drug possession and then jailed for the rest of their lifetime or sentenced to death. Many drug dealers plant drugs in travellers' suit cases, but even if you are in possession of a small amount of drugs, in Australia it wouldn't result in lifetime imprisonment or a death sentence - but in Asia it does. The Australian government is often fighting hard to have them extradited back to Australia but it rarely does. I hope everyone keeps fighting for Marte so she can be brought back to Norway. |
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I'm glad to report that as far away as backward Ireland we have finally heard of this on a national level. It was on the news yesterday that Marte has decided to go public with this and let the world know what has happened to her. Course, we got about ten seconds of it on the news but still, it's something...
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Everyone knows it's a fucked up place... the money is good but it comes at a risk. Also I saw this on their laws over there: Quote:
Any country that does business with these twats or anyone that goes to that place needs to look in the mirror. |
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Tore, there are places that have entirely different conceptions of rape and women's role in society, and this has very real and very practical consequences. It startles me that people are ignorant of this, and it is dangerous to react to this differences with ethnocentric catch-all phrases such as "misogynistic", "sexist", "backwards", etc. In regards to Dubai - I would've thought it's differences with the west would've been rather well known. Quote:
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Just because something is law doesn't mean it's right. You can't defend a laughable edict like that as you have above. Anyway, even if she WERE accompanied by a male family member, what if HE decided to rape her? What difference does it make then? I'm sure you'd be happy for Marte to rot in a Dubai jail, wouldn't you? "Serves her right for being a woman". Give me strength. Oh, and by the way, despite the above I doubt if anyone here is surprised you feel this way |
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1. Women should be punish for rape because it is deemed as sex outside of marriage. (or however you want to put it) 2. Women should not be punish for rape. It obvious your moral relativism does not work. Quote:
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Some of what you said is so way off base, and so illogical it must be a joke, right? |
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