butthead aka 216

I was getting at that social conditioning isn't always some buzzword terrible thing. The fact that ppl are conditioned certain ways doesn't bother me. Just naturally tho sexes are more inclibed to be better at certain things

djchameleon

I didn't say anything about them being happy or not living traditional gender roles but to force and pigeon hold people and expect them to live their life that way is what I'm calling cavemen like.

It's an old outdated mentality and it's kind of sad when people pass it on to their kids instead of letting their kids decide how they want to be as a person. There are people that are perfectly fine living like they are in the 50s with the way that they think about gender roles.

I know it isn't my place though to tell people how they should raise their own children. I am just commenting on how it's kind of sad to tell someone they can't do something just because "boys/girls aren't supposed to do that."

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At all, in any scenario? Really?

I'm hoping that's not the case because people who are conditioned to be someone/something they are not go through a lot of pain and it's pretty sick and twisted to be indifferent to that.

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Black Francis

You can't avoid social conditioning, it's everywhere house holds, schools, Tv, etc

And while not everybody as to accept that conditioning they do serve as guidelines for your gender if not your gender your overall development.

ofc with guidance can come alot of ignorance, if your father is on the KKK you can be sure they won't be teaching racial tolerance in that house hold, however even ignorance can teach you how to not to be ignorant.

It's hard not to be a product of your environment, it's an uphill battle for sure, especially when you get no understanding in your own home.

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GuD

I'm not saying it could be avoided, I'm just saying it's callous and cruel to not care if someone's being conditioned to be someone they are not.

Guidelines for your gender? No one needs guidelines on their gender dude, at all. Being a man or a woman or whatever else is whatever an individual makes it out to be. There are no rules on what it means to be a man or a woman or whatever else.

This I can agree on.

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Oh, and I don't think there's any actual scientific evidence to support the claim that a person will be better at some things and/or worse at others because of their sex.

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Black Francis

Here, ammunition for your argument.

Science Confirms The Obvious: Men And Women Aren't That Different | Popular Science

"Physically, men and women did fall into very distinct categories in categories like height and waist-to-hip ratio. But psychologically, not so much. Men and women consistently overlapped in attitudes and traits like empathy, fear of success and mate selection, indicating that sex differences are not categorical, but more a matter of degree."

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Women are better at giving birth.

butthead aka 216

Also better at menstrating


I will steer my kids down specific avenues of interest for sure but if they are hellbent on doin theatre instead of sports then so be it. Hopefully not lol but we will see when that bridge is reached.


We aren't on the same page with not caring abour social conditioning. My point is that I embrace it and dont go against it because its just the reality I live in

GuD

On birthing and menstruation that's obviously not what I meant but lol.


What's so bad about drama, though?

And if you are cool with how you were conditioned than good for you man, I'm not judging on that. But you seem to have this negative attitude towards the idea of not fulfilling a traditional role, and that's kinda ****y. Apologies in advanced if that's not the case but if it is... I mean, imagine if your interests right now had always been your interests by nature. But growing up, your folks wanted you to play with dolls and wear dresses. **** would kinda suck, right?

It's not about going against the grain or whatever, some people just really can't identify with what they're told is okay for them.

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