Hypothetical: If the Nazis Were Right Would You Agree with Some Form of the Holocaust

Paul Smeenus · 07-19-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by skyline

But it is plausible, I mean it did happen. people did actually belive this stuff and some still do.

DwnWthVwls · 07-19-2014, 06:22 PM

Homerun?

On a more serious note, I think your sexy as hell Paul.

TheBig3 · 07-19-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And keep in mind that if you don't agree to genocide then you can always come up with a more... "humane" solution.

Yes, to the prudish few of you who disagree with genocide, please feel free to find some pussy alternative.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 07-19-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

i'm sorry but this is just not true

the extermination camps first started in 1939....the eastern front did not start till 1941

this obviously does not include the mass shootings and the vans they used to kill children and women with

i didn't mean to suggest that there were no mass killings or extermination camps prior to the eastern front. just that the actual decision to exterminate the entire jewish population of europe seems to have come later in the war.

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Originally, when the concentration camps were established in 1933, they were used for coercion, forced labour and imprisonment, not for mass murder. But as the National Socialist regime developed, so did camp brutality. By the time of World War II, people were dying from starvation, untreated disease and murder in Germany and Austria, at places such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Mauthausen-Gusen.
By 1942 the Nazis had decided to undertake the Final Solution. Operation Reinhard would be the first step in the systematic liquidation of the Jews in Europe; beginning with those within the General Government. Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka were created solely to efficiently kill thousands of people. These camps differed from the likes of Auschwitz-Birkenau or Majdanek because the latter also operated as forced-labour camps as well as being death camps.[4]

Operation Reinhard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

that this was a response to them losing the war might have been incorrect or just too simplistic. i mostly got that impression from reading this book:

Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin: Timothy Snyder: 9780465031474: Amazon.com: Books

when it got to the part about operation reinhard the book emphasized that germany started to adjust to the idea that they wouldn't win the war and instead sought a victory in annihilating the undesired races within their sphere of influence. so i'm not 100% clear on the decision making process but you are right to question it since it seems the plans were being drawn up in 1941 when germany was still under the impression that they might win the war.

to go back to batlord's question of why didn't they just sterilize... in retrospect i would modify my answer to say that the germans weren't particularly concerned with being 'humane' and the only times when they made decisions to spare jewish lives was when they thought they would be useful for forced labor.

The Batlord · 07-19-2014, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

to go back to batlord's question of why didn't they just sterilize... in retrospect i would modify my answer to say that the germans weren't particularly concerned with being 'humane' and the only times when they made decisions to spare jewish lives was when they thought they would be useful for forced labor.

I don't know, cause they had their own weird, twisted justifications for what they did and how and why they did them. Like they insisted on the exterminations, at least in the camps, as being sort of a medical procedure to save the German race. The only people allowed to choose who lived and who died, the only people allowed to handle the gas, the only people allowed to actually "push the button" to release the gas were doctors, as if all of this was legitimate medical treatment. Why they insisted on this while the Einsatzgruppen and Sonderkommandos were massacring people on their own I have no idea, but it certainly does make their mindset kind of hard to fathom.

OccultHawk · 02-12-2017, 06:45 AM

Hmmmm

Old thread

But IF the Nazis were right would the ends justify the means?

Sure. Once they finished the full exterminations of all non-Aryans their new utopia could carry on in perpetuity and the other races wouldn't care or know because they'd be dead.

It's hypothetical folks. It doesn't mean you're defending genocide.

Oriphiel · 02-12-2017, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It's hypothetical folks. It doesn't mean you're defending genocide.

Uh, yeah it does. Saying you're down with genocide, even in a hypothetical scenario, is still saying you're down with genocide. I mean, you literally just said you'd be okay with it in the given scenario. Even if you believe that the people being exterminated are objectively lesser, it's still by definition genocide, and agreeing with the act of genocide in any situation is a defense of the concept of genocide. You're entitled to your opinion, but at least own up to it.

Personally, even in the given scenario, I'd still be against it. Generic diversity has gotten us this far, and trying to assert one's conception of perfection could too easily end up destroying us all.

OccultHawk · 02-12-2017, 09:03 AM

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Uh, yeah it does.

Uh, no it doesn't because it don't believe it's possible for any group, person, or even living species, hell maybe even non-living matter and empty space to be in anyway superior or inferior.

**Goofle** · 02-12-2017, 09:16 AM

Genetic diversity is something to be compassionate about, not a problem to be eradicated.

OccultHawk · 02-12-2017, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Genetic diversity is something to be compassionate about, not a problem to be eradicated.

Are you trying to troll me or make a joke?

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Hmmmm Old thread But IF the Nazis were right would the ends justify the means? Sure. Once they finished the full exterminations of all non-Aryans their new utopia could carry on in perpetuity and the other races wouldn't care or know because they'd be dead. It's hypothetical folks. It doesn't mean you're defending genocide.