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Old 06-12-2015, 12:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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my thought is... they should make a database so that any time anyone buys a gun. their name and info goes into this database and is linked with the serial number of that weapon.
This is how it works in California.
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and they should do a basic ballistics fingerprint on each gun sold so that if someone turns up shot, they can look at the fingerprint and search the database for the gun that matches that fingerprint. then the database can link that gun to its legal owner.
But all you have is the bullet. Without the gun it's impossible to trace other than the caliber.

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now, i know there's some registration involved in purchasing guns in america but i don't think there's a national database, cause i think the NRA rallies against that idea pretty heavily. i could be wrong. correct me if i am.
Biggest problem is that long ago the decision was made to let each state decide individually on their own gun laws. The wild wild west states would never agree to a national registry at this point. Any politician from those states running on that idea would lose by a landslide.

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Would have helped if that was done when guns first started being distributed, it's wayyy to late now. That has about as much of a chance of working as the war on drugs.
So much this.

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nah.. i bet it's awesome to shoot a gun
It is.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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This is how it works in California.
what about maintaining proof of possession of that gun periodically... the way i said?

and if that's what they do as well then where's the security weak point in this system which allows legally purchased guns to nonetheless be leaked onto the black market. or does that not happen in california?

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But all you have is the bullet. Without the gun it's impossible to trace other than the caliber.
i thought each gun has a unique ballistics fingerprint... i admittedly don't know much about it but yea... somebody with forensics/ballistics knowledge feel free to weigh in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_fingerprinting

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Biggest problem is that long ago the decision was made to let each state decide individually on their own gun laws. The wild wild west states would never agree to a national registry at this point. Any politician from those states running on that idea would lose by a landslide.
alright well for the moment let's set aside what is politically feasible and focus more on what is logistically feasible, if you don't mind.

i'm aware of the limited political potential for such a program to actually be adopted. but what i'm more interested in discussing whether such an idea, if implemented in the way i've explained, would work to address the problem of illegal arms and to what extent.

and if not, then i'd like it if people would give some reasoning and explain how they would circumvent the system, and then maybe i could try to think of ways to stop them from circumventing it, etc

basically i'm more concerned with the logistical issues than with the campaign to sway public opinion.. tbh i'd be fine with a more autocratic state that just implemented such a system without vying for public consent... but that's a different topic for the last 3 democracy threads that nobody ever seems interested in responding to

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So much this.
can somebody explain why though? cause just saying "won't work" is not much fun

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It is.
i bet... when i get more disposable income i'll probably get one... something old school and gangster like a revolver. i mostly just want to shoot inanimate objects... not that concerned about fighting off criminals or whatever.

i bet this is even more fun though

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Old 06-12-2015, 07:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If it were up to me the only guns people would have would be for hunting. You don't need a handgun for fun or self protection. I also don't think they are cool and I have no interest in them, so of course my opinion is heavily biased. I don't like it therefore no one should have it. I'm generally open to people doing things I don't like or even agree with but guns are just stupid to me, I'd be fine with forcing everyone to only hunt with bows. Bows are awesome.
But they sure help. I'd rather not to tell people how they can and can't do things if I don't have to.
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I agree which is why I don't protest guns or anything. If people want them then whatever, I just think they cause more harm then good, and most people shouldn't have them. I still recognize their right to do things I don't like, and I don't ever complain about it. Similar to how I think most people shouldn't have pets or kids.

Also, I don't think they help unless unnecessary death is a good thing. Someone's life is worth more than your possessions, sorry.
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Old 06-12-2015, 07:18 PM   #15 (permalink)
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what about maintaining proof of possession of that gun periodically... the way i said?
It's a great idea in concept but it wouldn't fly. So the date comes around and the gun owner doesn't show up. What happens then? Police go knocking on peoples doors and arresting them? Or forcibly taking their guns away? The huge klaxon horn at the NRA headquarters just started blaring.

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i thought each gun has a unique ballistics fingerprint... i admittedly don't know much about it but yea... somebody with forensics/ballistics knowledge feel free to weigh in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_fingerprinting
Ok, I get what you are saying now. Suppose this could work.

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can somebody explain why though? cause just saying "won't work" is not much fun
Logistics and the fact there's already billions of unregistered guns out there. And again, this simply would never see the light of day in the US.

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i bet... when i get more disposable income i'll probably get one... something old school and gangster like a revolver.
Nah, go with a semi-automatic pistol that can hold upwards of 15 rounds.

In CA we can only use 10 round mags. Really cool to quickly blow off a large number of shots and it's really quick to swap out mags. Barrel guns hold either 5 or 6 rounds and are a bit of a pain to reload relatively speaking.

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I own several fire arms and I would personally rather teach my kid firearm responsibility rather then "No! Those are bad!". I go hunting with a .50 caliber black powder. Do you REALLY think that is used for protection? Naw. And I will tell you for sure, if you break into my house, I will point a gun at you and threaten to shoot you. But that's how I am and how I was raised and the culture I was raised in. Btw, JWB, there's already a database.
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It's a great idea in concept but it wouldn't fly. So the date comes around and the gun owner doesn't show up. What happens then? Police go knocking on peoples doors and arresting them? Or forcibly taking their guns away? The huge klaxon horn at the NRA headquarters just started blaring.
yea if you don't reregister your gun then after a while someone will come and ask about it. like i said, can't we just talk about what could logistically work without dragging in "oh the NRA won't allow it"

let's say hypothetically the NRA has no choice and this is an autocratic sort of set up

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Logistics and the fact there's already billions of unregistered guns out there. And again, this simply would never see the light of day in the US.
the unregistered guns are admittedly still going to pose a problem... but this system is aimed at stopping the flow of new illegal weapons. so that's outside the scope of what i'm talking about.

can you expand on 'logistics'? cause when i say logistics i'm referring to whether it would be something that is sorta physically possible... rather than whether or not our current political process would allow for it, which i'm fine with conceding that it wouldn't.



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Nah, go with a semi-automatic pistol that can hold upwards of 15 rounds.

In CA we can only use 10 round mags. Really cool to quickly blow off a large number of shots and it's really quick to swap out mags. Barrel guns hold either 5 or 6 rounds and are a bit of a pain to reload relatively speaking.
yea i guess but they look cooler to me
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Btw, JWB, there's already a database.
a national database?
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Having a gun discussion without including the NRA and politics is pretty pointless IMO.

And semi-auto guns can be cool as hell too.

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i don't think it's pointless... really i've heard people bitch about the NRA and **** time and time again... it's not like i dismiss whatever grievances you have with them, but i just can't maintain interest in people complaining about political opposition again and again and again. to me there's really not much potential to say anything there that hasn't been said a thousand times before.

but a lot of those NRA people challenge the actual potential efficacy of any gun control program.. which is what i'm more interested in. so saying 'it doesn't have political support' is actually what's pointless to me. cause i feel that it's up in the air as to whether there is actually an effective strategy to control guns... which is what we really should figure out before we get into arguing about whether or not we should implement said strategy.
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