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Old 06-13-2015, 12:54 AM   #41 (permalink)
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do you realistically see this becoming a big problem?

tbh if this policy forces criminals to revert to ****ing muskets for their gangland crimes then i'd consider it a resounding success
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Old 06-13-2015, 08:20 AM   #42 (permalink)
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do you realistically see this becoming a big problem?

tbh if this policy forces criminals to revert to ****ing muskets for their gangland crimes then i'd consider it a resounding success
I think you're missing the point. Just because it's out dated equipment doesn't mean that it's not lethal. So you're going to regulate the hell outta standard guns and then what? Just leave the old school stuff alone?
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Old 06-13-2015, 08:43 AM   #43 (permalink)
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One of the biggest issues here in the US regarding guns is the extreme wide ranging cultural differences (both geographical and philosophical) across the country. Guns have been around forever and are a part of people's DNA in the majority of rural areas. Little Johnny getting a .22 rifle for his 12th birthday is probably still a very common right of passage for millions of families.

Second or third generation suburbanites can't relate. To many of them guns are simply tools of evil. That's why the gun laws vary so widely from state to state and even county to county.

In parts of this country it's perfectly legal to do this:



While in other places, like here in San Diego Country, the chances of getting even a concealed carry permit are pretty much zero.

And the majority of pro gun folks are not going to give up even an inch because they are all convinced that by doing so will be the first step towards Uncle Sam someday knocking at their doors to take away their guns.
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Old 06-13-2015, 05:37 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I think you're missing the point. Just because it's out dated equipment doesn't mean that it's not lethal. So you're going to regulate the hell outta standard guns and then what? Just leave the old school stuff alone?
a knife is lethal, a musket is lethal, a pistol is lethal, a machine gun is lethal, an rpg is lethal, a nuclear warhead is lethal

obviously some lethal weapons are more lethal/effective than others

currently criminals have pretty effective modern weapons

in your scenario, they are reverting back to ****ty muskets which take forever to load and are pretty inaccurate

their weapons technology is devolving by a good couple hundred years


i consider that a pretty massive improvement, my friend. if the musket problem actually presents itself, then we'll deal with it. in the meantime, i think i deserve some sort of nobel prize
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Old 06-13-2015, 05:54 PM   #45 (permalink)
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nah.. i bet it's awesome to shoot a gun
Particularly .44's. A sawed off 12 gauge is a little too intense. My .270 packs a nice punch and is accurate at long distances, but the .223 is probably my favorite for its hunting versatility

Also, ban guns for all I care, I don't need them, I was just raised in Alaska.
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Old 06-13-2015, 06:31 PM   #46 (permalink)
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a knife is lethal, a musket is lethal, a pistol is lethal, a machine gun is lethal, an rpg is lethal, a nuclear warhead is lethal

obviously some lethal weapons are more lethal/effective than others

currently criminals have pretty effective modern weapons

in your scenario, they are reverting back to ****ty muskets which take forever to load and are pretty inaccurate

their weapons technology is devolving by a good couple hundred years


i consider that a pretty massive improvement, my friend. if the musket problem actually presents itself, then we'll deal with it. in the meantime, i think i deserve some sort of nobel prize
I'm not talking muskets. I'm talking modern day versions of the weapons. I keep my .44 loaded and trust me I can hit you with it.
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One of the biggest issues here in the US regarding guns is the extreme wide ranging cultural differences (both geographical and philosophical) across the country. Guns have been around forever and are a part of people's DNA in the majority of rural areas. Little Johnny getting a .22 rifle for his 12th birthday is probably still a very common right of passage for millions of families.

Second or third generation suburbanites can't relate. To many of them guns are simply tools of evil. That's why the gun laws vary so widely from state to state and even county to county.

In parts of this country it's perfectly legal to do this:

it's like that here in nc

doesn't really bother me tbh

saw a dude the other day in walmart with one on his hip... didn't really feel like there was a risk of him being some psycho that's gonna shoot up the place. dunno why... i just know it's normal here so i guess that sort of put me at ease.

what killed me though was seeing in the walmart here... behind the glass.. there was like a 1000 dollar AR-15 looking rifle with a banana clip and all... just sitting there behind the glass, with all the ammo needed for it sitting out in the open behind the counter... just made me think of back in florida working at walmart, thugs would smash the glass to the ipod cases and run out with ipods.. could only imagine what they'd do for a rifle like that.

but the culture is different here, so **** like that is pretty unlikely to happen

it's one if the things i have to say is better about the south/rural areas to me.. people are just a bit more civil in general than they are in busier places. another one of those stereotypes that are true.

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this sort of irritates me cause they will argue against **** like a national registry for trying to keep track of who owns what gun, which imo everyone should be on board with. i mean i'm not even saying ban any guns that aren't currently banned... i personally prefer having the right to buy one if i want to. and i've never owned a gun. but i would like the option.

all i'm saying is find a better way to keep track of them to make it harder to leak them to the black market... so you would think a pro gun person would be on board with this... as it doesn't restrict your gun rights any more than registering your vehicle restricts your ability to drive your car. because the illegal gun market in the US should be addressed... it's a bit of a disgrace tbh. we have insanely high murder rates for an industrialized/western country... and it's basically because our criminals are generally better armed vs their european/british/australian counterparts.
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I'm not talking muskets. I'm talking modern day versions of the weapons. I keep my .44 loaded and trust me I can hit you with it.
you're saying what, specifically? i thought you were saying old ancient rifles and **** that were antiques. if you're talking modern weapons then i'm saying they should be included in the registry imo. even if they were made x numbers of years ago. basically it should be illegal to own a weapon that isn't part of the registry. because i'm sure some criminals would try to make their own as well.
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you're saying what, specifically? i thought you were saying old ancient rifles and **** that were antiques. if you're talking modern weapons then i'm saying they should be included in the registry imo. even if they were made x numbers of years ago. basically it should be illegal to own a weapon that isn't part of the registry. because i'm sure some criminals would try to make their own as well.
They are modern (in the sense that they were made in this century) fire arms using old school technology. Meaning you have to pour the black powder, pack the ball/powder, prime, and aim. But these modern versions are a lot more accurate than their counter parts. I'm asking your thoughts on these particular off set weapons.
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you're saying what, specifically? i thought you were saying old ancient rifles and **** that were antiques. if you're talking modern weapons then i'm saying they should be included in the registry imo. even if they were made x numbers of years ago. basically it should be illegal to own a weapon that isn't part of the registry. because i'm sure some criminals would try to make their own as well.
But how do get anyone who owns an unregistered gun to register it? The paranoia with most of the folks who own those guns runs really high.

Can we agree that universal background checks as part of the gun buying process is a pretty sound and reasonable thing? After the Newtown School massacre this came up for debate once again.

Well, it was quickly shot down, again, because of the NRA and the fear instilled in the Pro Gun groups about how that would be "giving an inch".
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