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Neapolitan 01-24-2017 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799282)
Yes but there are concerning ties to Russia almost certainly given the evidence

Where as Obama had nothing to do with Islam


I don't think it's a cut and dry equivalency

I'll ask again. How do you know that, as you said, "Obama had nothing to do with Islam" You made the claim. I'm just asking how do you know.

Trollheart 01-24-2017 04:29 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. I guess it did happen, but nothing was shown on the news here. Maybe it's because there was a more "it's a good thing" sort of vibe being pushed by the media than there is with Trump, where really I suppose they can see no real "good thing" to push. I guess all the hatred and racism and protests got lost (at least, over here) amid the general euphoria that a black man had finally made it to the highest position in the country, and not just to deliver pizzas.

We certainly got a different viewpoint over this side, which is why I asked the question, though it does make sense that there would have been those protests. I just wondered why we had never heard of them being mentioned in the mainstream news media.

Frownland 01-24-2017 04:29 PM

It's because it was done on a much smaller scale.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1799296)
I'll ask again. How do you know that, as you said, "Obama had nothing to do with Islam" You made the claim. I'm just asking how do you know.

Obama is not mentioned in the Quran even once.

Chula Vista 01-24-2017 04:39 PM

Obama was well educated on Islam, as well as a lot of other things related to world affairs, before campaigning for office. Too bad Trump didn't take the same route and instead just used negative stereotypes to fuel the fear of his supporters.

Just knowing a lot about a culture doesn't make you a member or follower of it. Don't be so dense.

elphenor 01-24-2017 04:40 PM

If jobs are saved in the process cool something he can take credit for

But telling Trump there are more jobs to be had by updating our sources of energy to this century would mean nothing to the guy who appointed Exon to his cabinet

The jobs were hardly the point

elphenor 01-24-2017 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1799296)
I'll ask again. How do you know that, as you said, "Obama had nothing to do with Islam" You made the claim. I'm just asking how do you know.

Celestial Teapot anyone?

Frownland 01-24-2017 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1799299)
Obama was well educated on Islam, as well as a lot of other things related to world affairs, before campaigning for office. Too bad Trump didn't take the same route and instead just used negative stereotypes to fuel the fear of his supporters.

Just knowing a lot about a culture doesn't make you a member or follower of it. Don't be so dense.

Oh I never said I believed it (notice how I said his view was sensible), I'm talking about the thought process of the people who do believe those silly conspiracies. To them, what you describe justifies their foolishness (to themselves) as much as Trump's ties with Russia justifies an undoubting love of anything that makes him look bad. This is why I feel both camps are so similar and are acting very ironically.

Neapolitan 01-24-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799256)
Is it not more nuanced than that

We know Russia disrupted the election through hacking the DNC

heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799282)
Where as Obama had nothing to do with Islam

Inside the Ring: Muslim Brotherhood has Obama's secret support - Washington Times

Chula Vista 01-24-2017 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799304)
Oh I never said I believed it (notice how I said his view was sensible), I'm talking about the thought process of the people who do believe those silly conspiracies. To them, what you describe justifies their foolishness as much as Trump's ties with Russia justifies an undoubting love of anything that makes him look bad. This is why I feel both camps are so similar and are acting very ironically.

Sometimes it's difficult to hone in on your primary point because of the way to phrase things.

But I honestly believe that Obama/Islam while being the same generally speaking but was on a much tinier scale than Trump/Bush.

Obama/Islam didn't have 13 US intelligence agencies backing it up. I don't remember any prominent Muslims being so vocal of wanting Obama to win. I also don't remember information being leaked that was tied to any Muslim nation that may have negatively affected either McCain or Romney.

Chula Vista 01-24-2017 04:57 PM

Two can play at that game.

Here's the Evidence Russia Hacked the Democrats | Time.com

And of course Obama and many other world leaders were secretly behind The Muslim brotherhood. Do you even know what that movement was about?


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