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Lucem Ferre 03-26-2017 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1816935)
given his positions Bernie would metaphorically spit on him

sounds like he's the type of guy that voted Trump in the general despite Hillary actually sharing about 70-80% of Bernie's positions while Trump was in line with about 10%

this is assuming he isn't just lying

Like what positions?

He doesn't sound anything like that to me. He sounds that way to you because he defends Trump from hyperbole.

And why would he lie about his positions?

Lucem Ferre 03-26-2017 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1816933)
all you found out is that Canada doesn't know how many people come in because mostly they don't care

we're talking about one of the most favorable to immigration countries in the world actually

I mean, it wasn't even possible to be an illegal immigrant in Canada until relatively recent history

Cause it's never been a big deal because they don't have that problem

And yet, it's still harder for somebody to immigrate to Canada than it is to America. That was a proven fact. Take your L and move on.

Anteater 03-26-2017 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1816935)
given his positions Bernie would metaphorically spit on him

sounds like he's the type of guy that voted Trump in the general despite Hillary actually sharing about 70-80% of Bernie's positions while Trump was in line with about 10%

this is assuming he isn't just lying

I was originally gonna vote Johnson...but he's kind of an idiot so I abstained this past election since there was no candidate that really lined up with what I wanted.

I agree with a lot of Bernie's positions in regards to how he would have "dismantled" the relationship between money and politics. We agree on most social issues too. My biggest point of skepticism with him was his tax plan and his views on countries like Cuba and Venezuela.

As Lucem points out though, this is an issue of your ego vs mine here. I favor certain issues more than you do because I chose a path outside the traditional workforce so I tend to speak up based on what I have experience in. I don't dislike you as a person or anything: I just don't see Communism as having that great a track record when corruption seems inevitable in most longstanding organizations, whereas Capitalism is flexible enough to work around that problem. I can be a pro-business Libertarian and still agree with Bernie on a lot of important issues. Just like how I can agree with Trump that some of our trade relationships are fucked even if I disagree with how he's handled every other major issue.

Chula Vista 03-26-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1816946)
I just don't see Communism as having that great a track record when corruption seems inevitable in most longstanding organizations, whereas Capitalism is flexible enough to work around that problem. I can be a pro-business Libertarian and still agree with Bernie on a lot of important issues. Just like how I can agree with Trump that some our trade relationships are fucked even if I disagree with how he's handled every other major issue.

I agree with 90% of this. But capitalism is as corrupt as any other system, if not more, based on the US's track record.


The Batlord 03-27-2017 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1816948)
I agree with 90% of this. But capitalism is as corrupt as any other system, if not more, based on the US's track record.

Yes, but, potential climate death aside, it still basically functions even with corruption so long as it's kept in check through government regulations. That climate death does kinda sorta throw a monkey wrench in the machine, but you win some you lose some.

djchameleon 03-27-2017 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1816963)
Yes, but, potential climate death aside, it still basically functions even with corruption so long as it's kept in check through government regulations. That climate death does kinda sorta throw a monkey wrench in the machine, but you win some you lose some.

This right here is what his administration wants to get rid of. It is part of their ideology of having small government. They just want to be able to get away with much more than they have been.

Anteater 03-27-2017 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1816978)
And no this is not an issue of ego, whatever thats supposed to mean, it's an issue of you won't stop saying stupid things pretty much

You should go commune with your spirit animals Salvador Allende + Augusto Pinochet and come back when you have a leg to stand on.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1816977)
Literally

The

Most

Important

Part of his ideology

It is only important if you naively think corporations and their CEOs will stay here based on what he proposed. What we need is a smarter tax code that provides more and more incentives for the wealthy to contribute to society with their wealth, not brackets that tax them to the point where they'll forego their citizenships if it means they could save hundreds of millions. Unfortunately, we don't have too many creative thinkers up in Washington. People who are up above the lower millionaire strata are way more mobile than you realize. They'd cut their ties to the U.S. in a heartbeat depending on how unfavorable the environment here becomes to them. Those that do stay here will do so because they simply have no other choice.

Key 03-27-2017 11:11 AM

Reading Anteater's posts in the voice of Donald Trump is more hilarious than I anticipated.

The Batlord 03-27-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1816967)
This right here is what his administration wants to get rid of. It is part of their ideology of having small government. They just want to be able to get away with much more than they have been.

I think it's generous to say Trump and his administration are small government types. They're 1 percenters with purely self-interest at the heart of their policies, even if they truly believe in those policies. The difference being extreme greed and a real opportunity to reap the benefits of small government.

Anteater 03-27-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1817014)
Don't pretend to support Sanders then

If corporations and CEO'S **** off the country that provided them with everything they have we tax the lil babies to oblivion and do it ourselves

This country does not exist for their benefit

But they won't, they actually need our consumer base more than we need them

You can say goodbye to most of what you (likely) enjoy about modern life if the corporations all leave. The government will monopolize everything and what little efficiency we have will cease. Nobody is going to want to take on the responsibility of managing large infrastructure (which you have whether we have capitalism or no capitalism) for pennies when there's no gain. If you think the risk of corruption is a problem now, wait 'til you see what happens when there's zero incentive.

I support a lot of Sanders wanted in regards to overhauling government, but you think Sanders wants to live in a country where he can't feasibly afford to have his three homes and the best in everything? Puh-leeze.


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