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Trollheart 04-08-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821306)
It killed Marie Antoinette

I think you'll find it was actually a guillotine blade that did that.

elphenor 04-08-2017 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1821319)
there will always be someone leading the proles to build

again answer is democracy the proles can lead themselves to build

elphenor 04-08-2017 06:37 PM

it's like this could just as easily be an argument for Kings and Feudalism

elphenor 04-08-2017 06:39 PM

Divine Right was a sham

slowly but surely the proles will realize the meritocracy is a sham

The Batlord 04-08-2017 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821321)
again answer is democracy the proles can lead themselves to build

No they ****ing cannot. People are idiots. People are ants when it comes to anything larger than... a house I guess. They need leaders. Even if those leaders come from the proles, eventually those leaders will want more.

Trollheart 04-08-2017 06:42 PM


Says it all really...

elphenor 04-08-2017 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1821325)
No they ****ing cannot. People are idiots. People are ants when it comes to anything larger than... a house I guess. They need leaders. Even if those leaders come from the proles, eventually those leaders will want more.

http://i.usatoday.net/money/_photos/...QN-x-large.jpg

The Batlord 04-08-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821328)

Yeah basically. People are too dumb to govern themselves on any large scale. And on any small, communist scale, well, any settlement would have to dispense with anything that large scale civilization gave them. Like vaccines. A kibbutz-scale settlement wouldn't be able to develop, let alone manufacture vaccines, so polio and smallpox are back. And bubonic plague and whatever the **** else. And god help anyone living in the malaria zone. So that's one horseman.

And you can't have major projects like the dams we have now, so any irrigation would have to be small scale like "back in the day", and therefore be subject to drought and therefore famine on a scale that modern, 1st-world countries generally aren't anymore. So people are dying of thirst and hunger.

But how do you solve those problems? I know! Form communities of communities to pool resources and labor, sorta like "countries". Which I'm sure would not at all lead to exactly the kind of capitalism that now exists. Nope.

Anteater 04-08-2017 07:48 PM

Trying to explain scalability to someone who thinks Communism (or its cousins) would ever work at scale is a Stone Of Sisyphus situation if I've ever seen one. :p:

Goofle 04-08-2017 07:55 PM

I wasn't even talking about equality in terms of property or wealth. People are unequal due to varying factors.


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