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DwnWthVwls 03-18-2017 07:13 PM

Yeh, it wasn't meant to argue your point or anything.. just something interesting I found and felt like adding on.

Edit: the article was just posted to show the origin of DJs chart, nothing more.

DwnWthVwls 03-18-2017 07:15 PM

Here is the article written by the charts creator: The Reasoning and Methodology Behind The Chart – All Generalizations are False, if you feel like reading it.

elphenor 03-18-2017 07:59 PM

the tldr of it is that we study political spectrums through relative means there is no objective center

I might say Norway is the mid point between socialism and capitalism for example while another will say it's the US

so if you make a statement like "CNN is left wing" you have to tell me compared to what

Anteater 03-18-2017 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1814895)
He blamed them for being a joke network

Trump gets his news from them very seriously and then says "oh well Fox news said it"

How do you not see that these things could not be more different

As for the second half of this steaming pile, I'm out of ways to explain that the news isn't left you're just right wing

Maybe you just don't understand the difference between someone who is specifically liberal and someone who is more conservative?

https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/con...beral-beliefs/

Going by this, I'm centrist with a conservative bent. But that makes sense considering I identify as a Libertarian.

And as I've told you in the past: follow the money. Look at the parent companies of the major news organizations and where they donated. Very easy to see just how many more of them are liberal overall. I'm not wrong: you just never bothered to look.

OccultHawk 03-19-2017 06:28 AM

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Going by this, I'm centrist with a conservative bent. But that makes sense considering I identify as a Libertarian.
The Libertarian Party could've at least waited until it picked up a little steam before it watered down into mainstream bull****. Even the alternatives are no longer alternatives.

Anteater 03-19-2017 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1814967)
The Libertarian Party could've at least waited until it picked up a little steam before it watered down into mainstream bull****. Even the alternatives are no longer alternatives.

Why are you talking about politics like you'd talk about black metal lulz. The biggest problem IN politics right now is we don't have enough Libertarians in any position that actually matters. Hyper-polarization is why nothing gets done (since everybody hates each other), combined with both the Democrats and Republicans insatiable greed for money. We need a good third party to go mainstream in order to fight problems like this.

elphenor 03-19-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1814957)
Maybe you just don't understand the difference between someone who is specifically liberal and someone who is more conservative?

https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/con...beral-beliefs/

Going by this, I'm centrist with a conservative bent. But that makes sense considering I identify as a Libertarian.

And as I've told you in the past: follow the money. Look at the parent companies of the major news organizations and where they donated. Very easy to see just how many more of them are liberal overall. I'm not wrong: you just never bothered to look.

Your expressed beliefs put you far on the right economically speaking as compared to the beliefs of the majority of the Democratic world

In fact, you are right wing just by American standards, centrist my ass


I don't know your stances on social issues

elphenor 03-19-2017 08:49 AM

Majority of Americans regardless of affiliation are for minimum wage increases

The centrist position in the US is a minimum wage increase

A leftist position would be a large increase and the right position is no increase at all (again in the US)

This is how the concept of overton window works

Anteater 03-19-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1814980)
Your expressed beliefs put you far on the right economically speaking as compared to the beliefs of the majority of the Democratic world

In fact, you are right wing just by American standards, centrist my ass


I don't know your stances on social issues

Maybe you'll eventually figure it out when you've lived a little longer, but the more time you spend dealing with government (which I have), the more conservative you become. I was far left in high school through college. Once I got out into the real world and actually started running into government through my business, I became convinced (if nothing else) that they're far more incompetent than you could ever dream of. I have absolutely no faith at this point that the government will ever be able to efficiently create the kind of overarching social safety net the left would like to see while still affording Americans the autonomy that the right would like to see. Conservatives understand this, which is why they want the federal government to take a lesser role in the first place.

Social issues I'm still more left than right, since at the end of the day the government does need to take a prominent role of some kind in providing for the people. Whether or not those ideals actually WORK in reality, however, is the million dollar question. Europe, after all, still has it's fair share of problems and they're supposedly lightyears ahead of us when it comes to welfare.

The one thing I can tell you for sure is Communism will never work. Ever. :p:

Frownland 03-19-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1814986)
Maybe you'll eventually figure it out when you've lived a little longer, but the more time you spend dealing with government (which I have), the more conservative you become.

This is hands down my least favourite cliche ftr.

You're gonna give yourself carpal tunnel if you keep patting yourself on the back like that man.


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