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DwnWthVwls 01-28-2017 04:51 PM

Yeh, just making it easy to find for ya.

Anteater 01-28-2017 04:57 PM

Chula, aren't you a Bill Maher fan?


elphenor 01-28-2017 05:06 PM

Bill Maher is pretty bone headed when it comes to religion he's funny though

elphenor 01-28-2017 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1800679)
Was kind of hoping you'd actually have something to contribute to the conversation.. :rolleyes:

It's such a tired "conversation"



Have you ever heard the term Occam's Razor?

DwnWthVwls 01-28-2017 05:13 PM

Yes, and I know what lupus is..

Frownland 01-28-2017 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1800679)
Was kind of hoping you'd actually have something to contribute to the conversation.. :rolleyes:



You can call it evidence until you're blue in the face, but the only people who know the truth are the people involved. We have no way of absolutely knowing.. I want evidence of innocence for those with reasonable motive, until then I reserve the right to be skeptical, but I don't think they should be prosecuted or anything because I support innocent until proven guilty.

Edit: You seem to think that because it's our government and not some joe shmoe court case that skepticism is irrational.

I'm not even sure what your perspective is, I was speaking against general talking points. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking evidence for, so you may be right. I was referring to the scientific element of the picture, like those peer reviewed things referenced in the popular mechanics article.

Chula Vista 01-28-2017 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1800686)
@ Chula - Hilarious to comment on Islamic terror and use US statistics to justify the lack of a threat. There's probably not too many IRA bombings in Senegal either.

You've concretely made my point. Thanks.

There was a time not long ago when I didn't consider you a dick. I'm trying to narrow it down to when that changed. I actually dislike how things are right now.

elphenor 01-28-2017 05:52 PM

Chula taking things so personal though

Goofle 01-28-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800700)
You've concretely made my point. Thanks.

There was a time not long ago when I didn't consider you a dick. I'm trying to narrow it down to when that changed. I actually dislike how things are right now.

The God Emperor will solve it.

Key 01-28-2017 09:06 PM

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14...mmigration-ban

thank god

Trollheart 01-28-2017 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800573)
So appropriate that the member here who's all for gutting things that will ultimately hurt people has such a thin skin. Poor poor Goof.

Troll, here's a shot of my daughter hanging out on the very tip of half dome.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...d5&oe=591C4BD1

And in other news, looks like the turtle isn't going to be a lapdog for The Donald.

McConnell: No need for voting review, opposes rollback of Russia sanctions - CNNPolitics.com

Wow that looks scary! Is she right at the edge???
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800598)
Remind me again. Why are so many US people afraid of Islam?

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...8d&oe=5908CC82

People die from falling out of bed??? That's it: I'm not getting up tomorrow!
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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1800718)

Thank Allah, I think you mean...

Chula Vista 01-28-2017 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1800720)
Wow that looks scary! Is she right at the edge???

Yup. It's like a 3,000 foot drop from that point.

Goof, sorry for the dick comment. You're a good guy aside from politics and municipal ideology.

Chula Vista 01-28-2017 11:49 PM

I'm cool with this.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...d6&oe=5912B7D0

Tristan_Geoff 01-29-2017 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800725)

Can I come?

Key 01-29-2017 12:18 AM

I don't think Goofle deserves an apology. Anyone that considers anything Trump does as "acceptable" is a ****ty person through and through.

elphenor 01-29-2017 12:39 AM

nah I know lots of Trump supporters who are good people even if I don't like their personalities

Janszoon 01-29-2017 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800725)

Why are Illinois, New Mexico and Colorado in the red part?

Chula Vista 01-29-2017 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1800729)
nah I know lots of Trump supporters who are good people even if I don't like their personalities

Ya, I have to keep remembering this. Lots of my blood fell for his snake oil.

Chula Vista 01-29-2017 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1800734)
Why are Illinois, New Mexico and Colorado in the red part?

Convenience. Made the map easier. They're all invited over though.

Tristan_Geoff 01-29-2017 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800738)
Convenience. Made the map easier. They're all invited over though.

North Carolina nearly made it blue, can I come?

DwnWthVwls 01-29-2017 02:10 AM

No, and you can have The Batlord too.

Goofle 01-29-2017 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1800728)
I don't think Goofle deserves an apology. Anyone that considers anything Trump does as "acceptable" is a ****ty person through and through.

It's a difference in opinion dude. You see how restricting your line of thinking is though? So far he's done things that either the left or right like, broadly speaking. He's not beyond scrutiny, but he's certainly above dismissing as a human being.

djchameleon 01-29-2017 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1800729)
nah I know lots of Trump supporters who are good people even if I don't like their personalities

Same but it isn't so much their personalities but the things they believe in. Makes it rough to separate them from their political belief but I do it.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1800745)
He's not beyond scrutiny, but he's certainly above dismissing as a human being.

He dismisses other human beings on a consistent basis though. Pains me to see you defend a bigot so much.

Lisnaholic 01-29-2017 08:00 AM

For me, Trump just gets creepier by the minute. With US citizens protesting at airports, US judges ordering stops on Presidential exec orders, and people with US visas being detained, it looks like a shambles that is both hurting and infuriating a lot of innocent people. How can Trump say, "it's working out very nicely"? The same way he said that it stopped raining when his speech began, I suppose; he's prepared to lie even in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

At least in the past, politicians used to be more discreet about their deceptions, crediting us some level of critical intelligence. But Trump shows an arrogance, a contempt for the American people - that they can be told anything, and will have to live with it. That's creepy.

Goofle 01-29-2017 08:13 AM

He was elected based on the policies he put forward. He looks to be going through with said policies. That's how it should work.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-29-2017 08:28 AM

don't get too excited about Canada, Kevin O'Leary seems set on becoming our next Donald... he's currently running to head the conservative party.


The Batlord 01-29-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1800757)
For me, Trump just gets creepier by the minute. With US citizens protesting at airports, US judges ordering stops on Presidential exec orders, and people with US visas being detained, it looks like a shambles that is both hurting and infuriating a lot of innocent people. How can Trump say, "it's working out very nicely"? The same way he said that it stopped raining when his speech began, I suppose; he's prepared to lie even in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

At least in the past, politicians used to be more discreet about their deceptions, crediting us some level of critical intelligence. But Trump shows an arrogance, a contempt for the American people - that they can be told anything, and will have to live with it. That's creepy.

I know you should support your president and all, if only to keep America from totally going down the ****ter, but if this is the start of a straight up peaceful civil war then I'm down.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1800743)
No, and you can have The Batlord too.

You can have deez nuts.

elphenor 01-29-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1800759)
He was elected based on the policies he put forward.

Not really

Anteater 01-29-2017 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1800757)
For me, Trump just gets creepier by the minute. With US citizens protesting at airports, US judges ordering stops on Presidential exec orders, and people with US visas being detained, it looks like a shambles that is both hurting and infuriating a lot of innocent people. How can Trump say, "it's working out very nicely"? The same way he said that it stopped raining when his speech began, I suppose; he's prepared to lie even in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

At least in the past, politicians used to be more discreet about their deceptions, crediting us some level of critical intelligence. But Trump shows an arrogance, a contempt for the American people - that they can be told anything, and will have to live with it. That's creepy.

What I bolded there is honestly a lot more creepy than Trump, but we've lived with it for decades.

djchameleon 01-29-2017 10:13 AM

It's funny how people on the right and Trump supporters are all about the constitution but when freedom of religion is concerned that doesn't matter. It only matters if you are Christian.

Cuthbert 01-29-2017 10:14 AM

How has he banned freedom of religion?

djchameleon 01-29-2017 10:16 AM

He hasn't. The travel bans are basically religious tests. When you ban people from coming in from Muslim majority countries that infringes on freedom of religion especially the people that already went through the proper channels to get US Visas.

Lisnaholic 01-29-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1800781)
What I bolded there is honestly a lot more creepy than Trump, but we've lived with it for decades.

Hi Anteater! Good to see you posting again after a long absence!

Yes, hidden deceptions are very worrying, of course, but they do indicate that politicians feel there's some accountability to the public. There's a limit to what they can get away with, hence the need to hide things.

Some of Trump's announcements remind me of things from Soviet era totalitarianism - that there is no need for the official version to reflect the facts, that factual debate is irrelevant.

Anteater 01-29-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1800793)
Hi Anteater! Good to see you posting again after a long absence!

Yes, hidden deceptions are very worrying, of course, but they do indicate that politicians feel there's some accountability to the public. There's a limit to what they can get away with, hence the need to hide things.

Some of Trump's announcements remind me of things from Soviet era totalitarianism - that there is no need for the official version to reflect the facts, that factual debate is irrelevant.

Good to see you too! Hope you've been well.

Trump is a typical populist strongman, for better or for worse depending on a multitude of POVs. He acts the way he does because he has no political experience though, as opposed to having an agenda based on hatred. He's going to be an interesting case study four years from now, especially if he decides not to run for re-election.

On another note, seeing CNN and similar news outlets post an upside down statue of liberty was pretty over the top, so I thought I'd share this for something resembling a more balanced perspective on what's happening.

The National Review - Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban" - Seperating Fact From Hysteria

Cuthbert 01-29-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1800784)
He hasn't. The travel bans are basically religious tests. When you ban people from coming in from Muslim majority countries that infringes on freedom of religion especially the people that already went through the proper channels to get US Visas.

Why does it? Would it apply if he banned people from Italy?

Trollheart 01-29-2017 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1800793)
Hi Anteater! Good to see you posting again after a long absence!

Yes, hidden deceptions are very worrying, of course, but they do indicate that politicians feel there's some accountability to the public. There's a limit to what they can get away with, hence the need to hide things.

Some of Trump's announcements remind me of things from Soviet era totalitarianism - that there is no need for the official version to reflect the facts, that factual debate is irrelevant.

Two and two are four. And if the Party should say two and two are five, what then?
:shycouch:

Janszoon 01-29-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1800796)
Good to see you too! Hope you've been well.

Trump is a typical populist strongman, for better or for worse depending on a multitude of POVs. He acts the way he does because he has no political experience though, as opposed to having an agenda based on hatred. He's going to be an interesting case study four years from now, especially if he decides not to run for re-election.

On another note, seeing CNN and similar news outlets post an upside down statue of liberty was pretty over the top, so I thought I'd share this for something resembling a more balanced perspective on what's happening.

The National Review - Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban" - Seperating Fact From Hysteria

Balance from the National Review. Hilarious.

Anteater 01-29-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1800802)
Balance from the National Review. Hilarious.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If even NPR can't be bothered to have more than a five second attention span when they discuss breaking news, then that needs to be balanced out with articles like that one that contextualizes what's happening over a broader span of time and several presidencies.

Frownland 01-29-2017 11:48 AM

What qualifies as contextualization seems to depend on the confirmation bias of whoever is reading.

Psy-Fi 01-29-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1800691)
Chula, aren't you a Bill Maher fan?


:laughing:


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