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Anteater 02-13-2017 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805366)
Yes but Trump is a racist to a worse degree and his policies are motivated by these biases

It's super simple

"But he hired black people" is an even more limp wrist defense than the classic "but I have lots of black friends"

Not at all. Employees cost, you know, this thing called money. Plus benefits plus insurance plus whatever else. You told me you work, right? If your boss had a serious racial problem with you, do you really think you would have been hired over some other candidate?

Anteater 02-13-2017 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805368)
1. Whites have never had a problem with having blacks be subordinates to them

2. My employer is not doing me a favor, is not a friend and would fire me if I wasn't a solid employee

1. Yeah...as long as they're working for free or for slave wages. What I'm talking about is a completely different scenario. More than a few of Trump's top managers in the Trump Organization are not white and/or are women. You know Trump's personality: would he really hire anyone like that if he harbored deep seated, hate-driven racism? You guys can't tell me on one side that he's shallow, motivated only by money, etc. and then try to make him to be some complex, multi-faceted racist on the other hand. It doesn't add up.

2. If you were African-American and your employer was the kind of racist that others are "attempting" to argue that Trump is, you would have never been hired in the first place. I guarantee it.

Also, I hate The Huffington Post, but hey if I can use a liberal article written by an extreme liberal writer to illustrate a point then you can bet your bottom dollar I will. :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-de..._10417888.html

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 08:58 PM

National Security Advisor Michael Flynn resigns after only a few weeks in office.

White House has known for a month that Flynn was suspect to blackmail by Russia. Trump knew all along.

Kellyanne Conway comes out and says Trump has full confidence in Flynn. An hour later Spicer contradicts her. Two hours later he's fired.

Unprecedented.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 09:06 PM

Sure Trump's casinos hire blacks. They also make sure they are out of sight when Trump and his wife are in the room.

Don't be obtuse.

Tristan_Geoff 02-13-2017 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805372)
Don't feed Anteater.

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Key 02-13-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805364)
You missed the point I was making completely. Yes, Trump is "racist"...but so is everyone to some extent. FDR was a racist. JFK was a racist to some extent and misogynistic. We've never had a president who didn't exhibit issues of character at some point. Not a single one. And liberals can be very racist too: go read some of the things supposedly "tolerant" liberals have said about Sen. Tim Scott on Twitter based on an opinion he had when choosing to endorse Sessions.

The logical fallacy that you and countless others make in your analysis of Trump is that he is PERSONALLY driven by racial hatred, which is what I'm arguing against. He did not run for president because he hates other races. The fact that racists flocked to him was a byproduct of his populist approach and nationalist ideas in regards to America's place in the world: racism wasn't his core message and it never motivated him in any of his business ventures previously. The truth is that Trump doesn't care about race at all. For better or for worse. If radical white Irishmen were the ones donning exploding vests in places like France, he'd ban Ireland and target anyone who looked white with stereotypical red hair.

Someone saying that "I don't understand racism" is not a logical argument when I point to his hiring history, which is a reasonable argument to make considering how it has already been discussed here, for instance, that if a business doesn't tolerate homosexuality for religious reasons they certainly won't go out of their way to hire people of that orientation. Racists who make decisions in life based on hatred follow a similar principle. If I have no credibility, then prove it with an argument that works.

So you're basically once again excusing his racist and sexist remarks because "others before him were also racist." Sorry, but no. Donald Trump is different. He played to the weak white republican party in order to persuade people in other parties and races to vote for him. His racist and sexist remarks were built out of fear and that is what got him the support. He promised things he couldn't deliver. He supported things many people would see as classless and wrong. He tempted fate and won through cabinet nominations and otherwise. But it was ok because he was running for the most important chair in the country. Again, when you hold that power, of course people are going to cling to you whether it's through racist remarks or otherwise.

Sure, I guess I could agree that maybe his entire campaign wasn't built on hatred and bigotry, but a large chunk of it was. But a large chunk of his support stemmed from people being upset with how things are and evidently Trump promised things that could fix those problems. Again, lies.

In summation: just because other people have done it, doesn't mean Trump should be any less held accountable.

Anteater 02-13-2017 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1805381)
So you're basically once again excusing his racist and sexist remarks because "others before him were also racist." Sorry, but no. Donald Trump is different. He played to the weak white republican party in order to persuade people in other parties and races to vote for him. His racist and sexist remarks were built out of fear and that is what got him the support. He promised things he couldn't deliver. He supported things many people would see as classless and wrong. He tempted fate and won through cabinet nominations and otherwise. But it was ok because he was running for the most important chair in the country. Again, when you hold that power, of course people are going to cling to you whether it's through racist remarks or otherwise.

Sure, I guess I could agree that maybe his entire campaign wasn't built on hatred and bigotry, but a large chunk of it was. But a large chunk of his support stemmed from people being upset with how things are and evidently Trump promised things that could fix those problems. Again, lies.

In summation: just because other people have done it, doesn't mean Trump should be any less held accountable.

I'll do you one better: Trump conned a weak party into believing that he was what they wanted to see. And some of them wanted to see him as a white power leader. Doesn't mean that's what he really is.

To quote that HuffPost article I mentioned earlier: being prejudiced and being racist are different things but related. Maybe I should have been differentiating that terminology too since it seems to have created confusion.

Tristan_Geoff 02-13-2017 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805390)
"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

preach it

Anteater 02-13-2017 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805390)
"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

Also written june of last year so he can be excused for nativity I guess

Still holds water a year later. Give me a call when you can do better than the guy who wrote that opinion piece. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Key 02-13-2017 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805389)
I'll do you one better: Trump conned a weak party into believing that he was what they wanted to see. And some of them wanted to see him as a white power leader. Doesn't mean that's what he really is.

To quote that HuffPost article I mentioned earlier: being prejudiced and being racist are different things. Maybe I should have been differentiating that terminology too since it seems to have created confusion.

This doesn't just happen out of the blue. You have to have done something in your life in order to call those types of opinions toward yourself (Talking about Trump, not you specifically). I'm shocked that you're still willing to defend Trump as not being a racist, when if you were to ask anyone with a brain, they'd say otherwise. The proof is pretty clear, but for whatever reason, you choose to ignore it.

Also, quoting HuffPost is a bad move since apparently they're extremely biased.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 10:12 PM

Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here's What His Record Shows | Fortune.com

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In 1989, he told Bryant Gumbel in an interview, “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market...if I was starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really do believe they have the actual advantage today. “ In fact, all the serious studies refuted that. However his statement did serve as a kind of shout-out to those who were ignorant about the racial dynamics in the U.S. economy.
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Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
Again, don't be obtuse.

Anteater 02-13-2017 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1805395)
This doesn't just happen out of the blue. You have to have done something in your life in order to call those types of opinions toward yourself (Talking about Trump, not you specifically). I'm shocked that you're still willing to defend Trump as not being a racist, when if you were to ask anyone with a brain, they'd say otherwise. The proof is pretty clear, but for whatever reason, you choose to ignore it.

Also, quoting HuffPost is a bad move since apparently they're extremely biased.

The Huffington Post is an extremely liberal outlet. I was making a point by posting an article where even numbnuts like them understand the difference that I'm discussing. You guys aren't using the term "racist" properly but chose to ignore my core argument.

Well, I think I've beat this dead horse enough. Nobody acknowledged the argument being made (too "obtuse" lol), so let's talk about Flynn I guess.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805397)
extremely liberal = numbnuts

Wearing it on your sleeve again dude.

Key 02-13-2017 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805397)
The Huffington Post is an extremely liberal outlet. I was making a point by posting an article where even numbnuts like them understand the difference that I'm discussing.

Well, I think I've beat this dead horse enough. Nobody acknowledged the argument being made, so let's talk about Flynn I guess.

The point was evidently lost due to your constant defense of Trump's supposed lack of racism. It's pretty clear that you won't agree that he is a racist, when 99% of the people in this country will disagree with you. It's not hard to understand.

Anteater 02-13-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805400)
Wearing it on your sleeve again dude.

The guys at Breitbart are numbnuts too. Happy now bud?

Anteater 02-13-2017 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1805401)
The point was evidently lost due to your constant defense of Trump's supposed lack of racism. It's pretty clear that you won't agree that he is a racist, when 99% of the people in this country will disagree with you. It's not hard to understand.

I never said he wasn't racist. He has a lot of subtle prejudices and it shows in the way he speaks. I said racism wasn't his core message or a driving force behind why he does what he does, and I've already proven that point in previous illustrations.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805402)
The guys at Breitbart are numbnuts too. Happy now bud?

Trying to equate the Huff Post with Breitbart? Again, check your sleeve dude.

Making up news. Biased news.

One of these things is not like the other.

Key 02-13-2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805403)
I never said he wasn't racist. He has a lot of subtle prejudices and it shows in the way he speaks. I said racism wasn't his core message or a driving force behind why he does what he does, and I've already proven that point.

I would say hardly subtle. I never said racism was his driving force either. But it certainly helped along with his driving force of fear mongering to the people less fortunate to know better. His racism was just a cherry on top of the cake that had been made by his hatred and bigotry throughout his campaign.

Frownland 02-13-2017 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805404)
Trying to equate the Huff Post with Breitbart? Again, check your sleeve dude.

Making up news. Biased news.

One of these things is not like the other.

They're about the same.

Anteater 02-13-2017 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805404)
Trying to equate the Huff Post with Breitbart? Again, check your sleeve dude.

Making up news. Biased news.

One of these things is not like the other.

They're both disingenuous opinion oriented outlets with laughable agendas and ranking up there in Google search with all the biggest mainstream outlets. They're the funhouse mirror counterparts to CNN and Fox. :rofl:

Key 02-13-2017 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805407)
They're about the same.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805408)
They're both disingenuous opinion oriented outlets with laughable agendas and ranking up there in Google search with all the biggest mainstream outlets. They're the funhouse mirror counterparts to CNN and Fox. :rofl:

I...actually agree with both of these.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 10:57 PM

I don't. Not at all.

*cough* Pulitzer Prize for journalism *cough*

Frownland responds with his typical, "awards don't mean credibility" BS in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Ant responds with something along the lines of "the Pulitzer's are liberal leaning".....


And YES. Let's talk about the whole Flynn thing. This is freaking HUGE.

DwnWthVwls 02-13-2017 10:58 PM

Chula buys into the bs instead of adding anything to the conversation like "I disgaree and here's why:"... :D

Key 02-13-2017 11:01 PM

HuffPost caters to liberal propaganda. No doubt about that.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 11:06 PM

:finger::finger:

The HP does not get involved with propaganda. They just report the facts from a liberal standpoint. They are miles above MSNBC, Fox, and Breitbart in actual credibility.

Anteater 02-13-2017 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805414)
Ant responds with something along the lines of "the Pulitzer's are liberal leaning".....

I don't even need to talk about the Pulitzer Prize. Go read some of those HuffPost headlines - they make Fox News look like C-SPAN.

I'll be following the Flynn Fallout with great interest.

Chula Vista 02-13-2017 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805423)
I don't even need to talk about the Pulitzer Prize.

Convenient.

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Go read some of those HuffPost headlines - they make Fox News look like C-SPAN.
Headlines are like the pretty frosting flowers on top of a cake. Bottom line: how good is the cake as a whole?

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I'll be following the Flynn Fallout with great interest.
You and me both. We're dipping our toes into some new water here and it's equal parts interesting and unsettling.

Frownland 02-14-2017 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805419)
:finger::finger:

The HP does not get involved with propaganda. They just report the facts from a liberal standpoint. They are miles above MSNBC, Fox, and Breitbart in actual credibility.

This sounds like something Goofle would say about Breitbart.

Goofle 02-14-2017 08:06 AM

Have I ever said anything about the credibility of right leaning news sites? Or Breitbart specifically? Nope. Every outlet has its own agenda, people just agree with some more than others.

Frownland 02-14-2017 08:09 AM

Quite sure I've seen you defend Breitbart as a credible news source before.

Anteater 02-14-2017 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805428)
Convenient.

I know that ten part series on wounded vets that David Wood did. He could have done that with any outlet and likely won the award. It was well done. But as for The Huffington Post as a whole, you know what they say about broken clocks.

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Headlines are like the pretty frosting flowers on top of a cake. Bottom line: how good is the cake as a whole?
If you found even one article on Breitbart covering current events that you actually liked one time, but disagreed with 99% of everything else you've read on that website, does that mean Breitbart is now a credible news source that you'll trust in the future? Try applying that thought process to HuffPost, Mother Jones, etc.


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You and me both. We're dipping our toes into some new water here and it's equal parts interesting and unsettling.
He shouldn't have lied to the Thunder God. :D

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...99/014/56c.jpg

Chula Vista 02-14-2017 09:29 AM

Top level GOP lawmakers are demanding a probe into Trump's ties with Russia. They want to interview Flynn immediately. Senate majority leader McConnell is on board.

The start of a mutiny?

Re: Breitbart. Show me anything from the HP that stoops to this level of **** smearing. Like I said, it's a far stretch from HP's partisanship to Breitbart's BS.

Breitbart Twerks Pelosi With Credibility-Destroying Ad - The Daily Beast

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...ZZ29E01AF9.jpg

Goofle 02-14-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805461)
Quite sure I've seen you defend Breitbart as a credible news source before.

I've said I trust them over the BBC.

Anteater 02-14-2017 09:42 AM

Happy Valentine's Day everyone. :)

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.co...d49844ce09.jpg

Frownland 02-14-2017 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805463)

Re: Breitbart. Show me anything from the HP that stoops to this level of **** smearing. Like I said, it's a far stretch from HP's partisanship to Breitbart's BS.

Here are several articles that demonstrate how HuffPost is the Breitbart of the left: Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post | The Huffington Post

Chula Vista 02-14-2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805469)
Here are several articles that demonstrate how HuffPost is the Breitbart of the left: Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post | The Huffington Post

Every "news" site is screaming that headline this morning.

Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos

Again, show me something that's on the level of that Pelosi picture/smear.

Frownland 02-14-2017 10:43 AM

Just look through that link I posted, you'll find plenty more.

djchameleon 02-14-2017 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1805465)
I've said I trust them over the BBC.

What!? :rofl:

BBC, NPR, A/P and WSJ are pretty close to the top when it comes to quality and mostly middle of the line except for NPR.

Goofle 02-14-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1805496)
What!? :rofl:

BBC, NPR, A/P and WSJ are pretty close to the top when it comes to quality and mostly middle of the line except for NPR.

I know I'm getting agenda driven reporting at Breitbart. That said, I don't think I've read more than five of their articles.

The BBC comes out with the same level of ideologically driven and partisan reporting as all the others, yet they treat themselves like the height of journalistic integrity. Nah, you suck like everyone else.

Chula Vista 02-14-2017 01:39 PM

Russia fires off a cruise missile today. A Russian spy ship has been spotted a few hundred miles off the coast of Delaware. Both in total defiance of decades old arms treaties.

Jebus f-ing christ. What the **** kind of dung have we stepped into America?


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