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Lucem Ferre 04-13-2017 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822780)
Fox News has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. Where do the sheep roost?



See my previous post. Also, go suck Rush Limbaugh's dick.



Donald Trump. Kellyanne Conway. Steve Bannon. Sean Spicer. Ivanka Trump. Justin Kushner.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e64f4c1d24.jpg

What does that have to do with what I said?

No.

Bill Barron had a carbon fee and dividend he wanted to put into effect if he was elected into the US Senate back in 2012. He wanted to tax the oil industries based on the amount of CO2 they would release in the air every year and give that money to tax paying citizens. The tax was supposed to increase more and more as time goes by to help push towards alternative fuels. He never got elected, hardly anybody has heard of him. It was my job to spread awareness. I failed him, Chula, I failed him. I don't think I really believed in him though. Needless to say, I failed that college assignment. But I might still have a bunch of his ****. Maybe even a shirt. Bill Barron, a working man trying to save the earth, that's what he was. And I let him down.

Goofle 04-13-2017 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn (Post 1822779)
I'd even go as far as to say reality has a communist bias.

lol

Our biology wouldn't back that up. Greed is about as inherent as the need for sleep. I suppose you can achieve that through a combination of huge welfare programs and good old capitalism, but that isn't communism.

Isbjørn 04-13-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1822793)
lol

Our biology wouldn't back that up. Greed is about as inherent as the need for sleep. I suppose you can achieve that through a combination of huge welfare programs and good old capitalism, but that isn't communism.

Capitalism plus huge welfare programs equals social democracy, but that's not what I'm proposing. What are you getting at?

Also, on what do you base your claims about "human nature"? If they can't be backed up, then they're nothing more than ideologically based assumptions, unfit for political discussion. Common sense doesn't cut it.

But pretty soon we're going to have to move this to another thread.

Trollheart 04-13-2017 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn (Post 1822767)



The Democratic Party and the GOP are both right-wing. Labelling Hillary Clinton as "left-wing" makes the term completely meaningless.

So the US has two right-wing parties? I don't get that.
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Also, FDR didn't win the war, the USA didn't win the war, and the nukes over Japan didn't win the war (Japan would've surrendered anyway). For the sake of nuance: I would have been speaking German right now if it hadn't been for the Red Army. Seventy years ago there were literally hanging posters in Norwegian cities giving the Soviet Union (and Stalin!) credit for having liberated Norway from the Nazis. It sounds ridiculous now, but it was a normal sentiment back then. Today it's different, we're nearly told that the US won the war with help from the Allies. And it almost seems to me like some people are trying to create a cult of personality around Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Bolded: yes they did of course. Japan were preparing for a full-fledged American invasion and readying their people to die for the emperor. Even after the first atom bomb was dropped they refused to surrender; it was only after the second one hit that they agreed. Yeah, really sounds to me like a country preparing to surrender.

Japanese troops rushing out with their hands up as Enola Gay flies overhead: "Don't do it! Don't do it! We surrender! We surre - Ah ****!"
:rolleyes:

Also, I said FDR won the war in the Pacific, if you remember.
That's not in doubt.

Frownland 04-13-2017 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822780)
Fox News has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. Where do the sheep roost?

See my previous post. Also, go suck Rush Limbaugh's dick.

Donald Trump. Kellyanne Conway. Steve Bannon. Sean Spicer. Ivanka Trump. Justin Kushner.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e64f4c1d24.jpg

Lol this is what you call responding intelligently? Funniest bit is that you don't think fake pandering news happens on the left just because it's popular on the right too. Gold!

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822801)
So the US has two right-wing parties? I don't get that.

What's not to get? Both our wings are conservative.

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Bolded: yes they did of course. Japan were preparing for a full-fledged American invasion and readying their people to die for the emperor. Even after the first atom bomb was dropped they refused to surrender; it was only after the second one hit that they agreed. Yeah, really sounds to me like a country preparing to surrender.

Japanese troops rushing out with their hands up as Enola Gay flies overhead: "Don't do it! Don't do it! We surrender! We surre - Ah ****!"
:rolleyes:

Also, I said FDR won the war in the Pacific, if you remember.
That's not in doubt.
Nah bombing Japan was some dick waving to scare off Russia (which backfired). We were incredibly close to winning that front anyways. Plus, the whackily loyal Japs and the whole concept that the bombing saved more lives than it cost is pure grade USDA approved organic bull****. It really was a swimmingly smooth propaganda campaign though, look at how popular both of these ideas are.

Goofle 04-13-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn (Post 1822796)
Capitalism plus huge welfare programs equals social democracy, but that's not what I'm proposing. What are you getting at?

Also, on what do you base your claims about "human nature"? If they can't be backed up, then they're nothing more than ideologically based assumptions, unfit for political discussion. Common sense doesn't cut it.

1. I was pointing out a current system that has seemingly done it's best to provide a platform to keep every person relatively able to fill their greed, not to say that was what you advocated for. I specifically said it wasn't communism (or whatever system you want) in fact.

2. You need proof of inherent human greed? I'm not the best at finding studies, and there seems to be some on either side of the fence (or that it's a balance) but sometimes common sense and empiricism seems to be the best option.

3. I wasn't using my view that most people are greedy to support a political ideology. I'm against the huge welfare programs I mentioned, for example.

duga 04-13-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1822743)
FDR authorized the development of the atomic bomb which ushered in the era of nuclear warfare and nuclear proliferation. He never mentioned the Holocaust in any public speech. Did not sign anti-lynching legislation. He sign Executive Order 9066 which lead to the forced relocation and incarceration of 110,000 Japanese into interment camps. Quite a legacy. Why, who would want to deny that?



Everyone knew what you meant. FDR made America great again, the way it was before before 1929. And FDR is responsible for American exceptionalism, by getting us out of the war. See FDR was the commander and chief of US armed forces that defeated the Nazis, thus consequently getting us out of the war. I apologize for mentioning the Allies, British Spies, and the restistance because that subtracts from American exceptionalism. FDR MAGA!

So who deserves to be recognized with an overall positive legacy to you, exactly?

FDR is recognized as a great president on both sides of the aisle. Much like democrats give republicans their Reagan legacy (even though he really screwed up more than he fixed), no one really trashes FDR. Again, I'm not going to even bother responding with details because your arguments have all the nuance of a 10 year old.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822801)
So the US has two right-wing parties? I don't get that.

Bolded: yes they did of course. Japan were preparing for a full-fledged American invasion and readying their people to die for the emperor. Even after the first atom bomb was dropped they refused to surrender; it was only after the second one hit that they agreed. Yeah, really sounds to me like a country preparing to surrender.

Japanese troops rushing out with their hands up as Enola Gay flies overhead: "Don't do it! Don't do it! We surrender! We surre - Ah ****!"
:rolleyes:

Also, I said FDR won the war in the Pacific, if you remember.
That's not in doubt.

The military leaders of Japan wanted to continue the war, but the emperor wanted it to end. Before the bomb was dropped, he was hoping to negotiate a peaceful surrender. That was the whole point of the US insisting that the Soviet Union declare war on them. Truman decided he wanted to show off how big the US's dick was and went ahead and dropped the bomb, even though the war was all but over. This, combined with Truman backing out of a lot of the concessions made to the Soviet Union between Stalin and FDR, essentially started the Cold War.

Edit: Just saw Frownland talked about this.

djchameleon 04-13-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822692)
Russia and Iran are pretty pissed about the red line being crossed and for good reason

With Trump in charge I feel like the evil empire and I'm rooting for the ragtag other side

Or maybe I should say even more the evil empire

I think this is all posturing. Russia isn't really pissed off. They are only putting on that act to take the heat off of how friendly Trump is with Russia and all the investigations that are currently going on. They are still close and buddy buddy. We even warned Russia about the attacks before they happened so that they could pass the info onto Syria. It's the main reason the base we attacked the **** out of was fully operational like two days after.



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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1822809)
What's not to get? Both our wings are conservative.

No, more like one of our wings is conservative and the other is moderate but likes to argue that they are completely on the left and don't want to cooperate with the conservatives.

Chula Vista 04-13-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1822809)
Funniest bit is that you don't think fake pandering news happens on the left just because it's popular on the right too.

Dumbass - he said that the media has a liberal bias. I didn't say anything about only the right having fake news. Nice try and putting words in my mouth though.

Cuthbert 04-13-2017 12:15 PM

Not sure where to post so I'll post it here.

US drops 'mother of all bombs' on IS-held caves in Afghanistan


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