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Frownland 04-13-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822861)
Dumbass - he said that the media has a liberal bias. I didn't say anything about only the right having fake news. Nice try and putting words in my mouth though.

Calling me a dumbass is simply projection. Read Lucem's post again mate.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1822777)
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2nd is there are too many lying news outlets that pander to the liberal crowd with bull**** on facebook.

To which you replied

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822780)
Fox News has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. Where do the sheep roost?

As if because it happens on the right it doesn't happen on the left. I'll let you get back to jerking yourself off though.

Chula Vista 04-13-2017 01:29 PM

Hope you didn't waste too much of your day crafting that retort. My point still stands.

Frownland 04-13-2017 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822898)
Hope you didn't waste too much of your day crafting that retort. My ****ty, irrelevant point still stands.

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Trollheart 04-13-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1822809)
What's not to get? Both our wings are conservative.

Never heard of that. So there is no left wing in the US?
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Nah bombing Japan was some dick waving to scare off Russia (which backfired). We were incredibly close to winning that front anyways. Plus, the whackily loyal Japs and the whole concept that the bombing saved more lives than it cost is pure grade USDA approved organic bull****. It really was a swimmingly smooth propaganda campaign though, look at how popular both of these ideas are.
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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1822838)
The military leaders of Japan wanted to continue the war, but the emperor wanted it to end. Before the bomb was dropped, he was hoping to negotiate a peaceful surrender. That was the whole point of the US insisting that the Soviet Union declare war on them. Truman decided he wanted to show off how big the US's dick was and went ahead and dropped the bomb, even though the war was all but over. This, combined with Truman backing out of a lot of the concessions made to the Soviet Union between Stalin and FDR, essentially started the Cold War.

Edit: Just saw Frownland talked about this.

Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.

duga 04-13-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822910)
Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.

Again, the military wanted to keep going - even after surrender, many of them committed suicide on the spot because they were so ashamed. Aside from the military, Japan knew they were done in the days leading up to the bomb being dropped. The political leaders were essentially begging the Soviet Union to act as a middle-man to broker a peace with the allies. After the Soviets declared war on them ending their neutrality pact in an effort to secure an unconditional surrender, essentially the ONLY concession they wanted was for the imperial family to live. Truman just wasn't having it.

Chula Vista 04-13-2017 02:18 PM

Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's. :yikes:

Frownland 04-13-2017 02:20 PM

I rate it 4/10

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822910)
Never heard of that. So there is no left wing in the US?



Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.

Ja that sounds a lot like the propaganda points I mentioned earlier.

Check this out: Hiroshima: Breaking the Silence

Pet_Sounds 04-13-2017 02:39 PM

From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:

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During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'.
Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Trollheart 04-13-2017 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1822921)
From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:



Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.

elphenor 04-13-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1822793)
lol

Our biology wouldn't back that up. Greed is about as inherent as the need for sleep. I suppose you can achieve that through a combination of huge welfare programs and good old capitalism, but that isn't communism.

We are also incredibly empathetic and cooperative

And largely a product of social influences

You have an incredibly simple view of human nature rejected by most anthropologists at this point basically


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