Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1836198)

To clarify, I did not mean for the point to sound like an appeal to nature fallacy. It was really just to demonstrate an example of how accessible modern healthcare is not heavily tied to health. You can point to their life expectancy to debunk my claim, but I think that ties more into higher earlier life mortality rates due to living conditions and births than the actual health of the people.

You can look at the history of the Okinawan people for one example.

You can also check out this very recent study: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...xt?elsca1=tlpr

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1836186)

I wonder if a request like that is considered illegal if there is not any (proven) action behind it? I don't disagree that the firing was related to this and was done to cover Trump's ass, but proving that kind of intent in court is an incredibly difficult thing to establish. Not to mention that the president has the privilege of replacing members of the executive branch for any reason, so any kind of unjust firings claim would fall flat there.

I thought that the threat of tapes was genuine and that that would be his ticket out, but I researched it and Washington D.C. has one-way consent laws for recording (meaning that you don't need someone else's permission to record any conversation you have with them). So that's totally legal and not grounds for impeachment.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1836203)

Yes, a president can basically do anything. It's the public perception thing is the issue. His numbers keep tanking and republicans are jumping off of his coattails left and right. Word is that GOP folks are freaking out behind closed doors and that they're about to come out of the closet. Most of these are folks whose jobs are up for grabs next year.

Basically it's like rats jumping off of a sinking ship. Just saw John Dean interviewed (WH counsel for Nixon) and he basically said this is on par, and maybe even worse than Watergate.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1836204)

I get that. I'm just considering whether or not there's a legitimate legal basis for impeachment.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1836182)

There is simply no way this dude is going to survive his first term. I'm taking bets on whether he simply quits, or gets forced out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/u...tion.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1836186)

I thought that the threat of tapes was genuine and that that would be his ticket out, but I researched it and Washington D.C. has one-way consent laws for recording (meaning that you don't need someone else's permission to record any conversation you have with them). So that's totally legal and not grounds for impeachment.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1836223)

Nah, my money is on him getting re elected.

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1836225)

How are you coming to this conclusion?

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1836225)

How are you coming to this conclusion?

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1836229)

Have you seen our country?