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duga 04-13-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1822921)
From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:



Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Exactly - Japan was obsessed with saving as much face as possible. They even found a silver lining with the bombs, thinking at least now people will see they HAD to surrender and the surrender didn't happen because of some social or political push.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822930)
Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.

You can still love FDR - Truman dropped the bombs.

elphenor 04-13-2017 03:27 PM

Additionally greed is just as much a problem for Capitalism if you are hard glued to the idea that humans are naturally terrible (bs those in power always push to justify being terrible)

djchameleon 04-13-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822916)
Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's. :yikes:

We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

duga 04-13-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1822940)
We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

Pretty much what I thought. Trump is going trigger-happy now, so the generals are probably jangling some ISIS keys in front of his face.

[MERIT] 04-13-2017 03:51 PM

EDIT: Not sure how to re-size this so it's not obnoxiously huge.

Fixed it ~ Exo

http://i.imgur.com/9OgYqYi.jpg?1

Goofle 04-13-2017 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822936)
We are also incredibly empathetic and cooperative

And largely a product of social influences

You have an incredibly simple view of human nature rejected by most anthropologists at this point basically

Duh.

There's some nature and nurture involved in every aspect of our being.

More simplistic than saying humans are naturally greedy to some extent on average?

elphenor 04-13-2017 04:12 PM

Do you understand what's meant by social influences though

And yes that's still an overly simplistic statement

Neapolitan 04-13-2017 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1822940)
We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

How do they fly bomber aircraft into these caves without them crashing into the cave walls?

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

djchameleon 04-13-2017 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1822989)
How do they fly bomber aircraft into these caves without them crashing into the cave walls?

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

They don't have to fly into the caves that's why they used a more powerful bomb so they can drop it from overhead and it will still destroy all the tunnels within the cave. Use your noggin sir. :nono:

Lisnaholic 04-13-2017 07:16 PM

This seems to be an ominous development to me, for two reasons:-

i) throwing heavy artillary and big bombs at troops is often strategically ineffective. It didn't help much in the First World War, and it didn't help much in Vietnam.
ii) at a time when most of the world is worried about N.Korea's escalating military showmanship, the US is setting a pretty bad example.

Depending on how many innocent Afgans have been killed, it could also turn into another home goal in the game of international PR, if you know what I mean; that the Afgans will not see the US as protecting them from extremists, but as aggressors instead.


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