So how much faith do you have that Trump is actually going to do the things he says (or at least implies through a veil of hyperbole), and do you think he actually gives a flying **** about any of this president business? Even if I liked his policies I still wouldn't take him seriously as a candidate for those reasons.

No.

Clinton: 65,844,610 - 48.1%

Trump: 62,979,636 - 46.0%

Well, be ready to be the liberal version of the people you made fun of for thinking everything Obama did was the apocalypse for four whole years, Mr. Double Standard. Fear is not a good look. Conservatives should have shown you that by now.

The Clinton's were not broke. Far from it. And the Clinton's combined net worth is $45 million. In 2015 they paid 43% in federal, state, and local taxes and donated 10% to charity.

Did you just use modern day statistics to show how wealthy the Clintons were in the 90s? Nice.

Piss off and take it elsewhere for a change.

Just telling you the same thing ant is: at least attempt to be rational. Fear clouts this.

He'll do some of the things he says and other things he'll likely not to do based on advisement. In that sense he's really no different than any leader we've ever had. As I pointed out before, Obama's cabinet back in 2008 was taken almost entirely on recommendation from Wall-Street. But 2008 wasn't 2016 and I think it can be safely said the media were not quite as trigger-happy to scrutinize back then as they are with Trump today. Very different environment overall.

To me, Trump's run and desire to become President seems surreal considering his track record and lack of political ties. There's no obvious reason why he'd even take on the presidential run when he could have done so years ago with better chances (like in the early 90's). He's 70 years old with a global business that thrives on his brand but requires his involvement consistently. He has plenty of money, enough to go live on a private island the rest of his life with a personal harem of maids if he really wanted it. Becoming president actually puts his business at a much higher level of risk and scrutiny than it would have under normal circumstances. Why even bother unless he genuinely wanted to serve the public? The whole thing is a big question mark.

When you really look at this (assuming you can take the hate-blinders off for a second), the financial incentive is dubious at best. In order to be president, he has to personally cut ties with the business that's been his entire livelihood and leave running it to his kids or lesser executives (which he would never do under normal circumstances if his ego is as inflated as some believe). And yet he pursued the presidency knowing he'd have to eventually do that, which is rather interesting. Not to mention that over the last year and a half he's been under more scrutiny and stress than he's likely ever been in the last six decades of his life. Again: why bother?

From my point of view, someone like Trump getting elected was an inevitability after the ACA debacle and the numerous (albeit debatable) missteps Obama has made over the last eight years. There are just too many people who feel that the Democratic Party doesn't genuinely care about their livelihoods and a younger generation that sees the overall slant of the media and feel like "any" change is better than none. And when you live in a world where both parties seem equally evil and corrupt, someone who claims to be part of neither trying to step up to the plate is rather appealing. Trumo co-opted to the Republicans to win, but as noted by others he not really a Republican nor a Democrat.

Maybe Romney should have won four years ago. I dunno anymore.

You can't be serious. He's in a position to profit greatly by being POTUS.

Look up "Puppet Master".

The dude LOVES scrutiny. It's his stock and trade. And how do you know he's under stress? I think he's relishing every second of it cause he's got a rabid base of followers who truly would let him get away with shooting someone on 5th avenue.

I don't think you understand just how thinly spread our population is in vast swaths of the country. The worth of a person's vote is not decided by how few neighbors they have.

I think I understand that, hence Hillary winning the popular vote. A completely irrelevant fact, but she did.

So most of East Bumf*ck voted for Trump. He still lost by a massive amount.

2,864,974 votes as of today. There's 15 states that have a population smaller than that amount. :finger:

How so? You are evidently fine with politicians serving or gunning for public office taking money from our enemies for "charitable causes" based on the convo we've had so far...or at least you'll allow it as long as they're Democrats. Stop deflecting and either address the system as a whole or not at all.


Is being purposely vague your way of hiding some kind of intellectual deficiency? Does Russia have mind control powers? Those darn Commies must be further ahead of us than we thought! They saw the future of our media giving Trump billions of dollars of free advertising and hacked everyone's brains! OMGBBQWTF


He loves publicity: he doesn't love scrutiny. If he loved scrutiny, as I said before, he'd have never run for the presidency. Clinton didn't care because she felt she was protected and supported by her husband, Obama, CNN, etc.. Trump? He was a laughingstock from day one. If he enjoys being antagonized, why does he get so angry? I think my analysis was sound.

It's pretty weird that people are so frustrated by the fact that more people=more votes. Still, even people that are all about the electoral college now that it favoured their candidate should recognize the fact that the winner take all system makes millions of votes absolutely pointless. Then again, if they are supporting the electoral college, I wouldn't expect them to know anything about it except for "it helps us good folk beat the dirty liberals."

Why is it irrelevant?

Urgh, don't lump Democrats in with Liberals. Also the electoral college is either a good or bad thing, the winner of an individual election doesn't change that.

Because it was an election held in the United States of America.

I'm talking about people who all of a sudden support the electoral college because of this single election so...

You posted that radio dj before, he was a great example of that.

Elaborate on why a majority vote does not matter in the United States.

Bonus points if your argument doesn't only focus on the semantic difference between a republic and a democracy.

Because the US has an electoral college. That's your system that selects the winner of the presidency.

Copy and paste it or whatever.

Unless you decide to ditch that system and go for a straight majority vote, what's the point even bringing up the majority vote?

I get your point, but it's a stupid point. We don't want this stupid ****, so pointing at that said stupid **** is the law of the land does not make us think it any less stupid.

There's arguments for and against it. I tend to like it more than a straight up majority vote, but I think there needs to be some changes to the points being awarded for certain states.

Because it shows what people actually want. Duh. What's the point in voting at all if the majority vote means nothing?

So this thread is basically the donald trump 4 prez thread again. Wonderful.

Strange how threads with no real difference between them on the same person are similar.

Why is a straight popular vote any better or less corruptible than the Electoral College system? Going by the popular vote, the populations of California and New York would determine every single election cycle. Which is another of way saying "if you live in any of these 46+ something other states across thousands of miles, your vote doesn't matter if you don't live in Los Angeles or New York City".

If you want to create even easier, more obvious targets for America's foreign enemies to literally hack our elections in ways you can't even begin to imagine, then I can't think of a better scenario than a popular vote, especially in our society today where the American left are just as easily led by the media as Trump's supporters were led by his rhetoric.

It's almost like it's pointless to have either.

I say: that's life. One man, one vote. More men=more votes. That doesn't change if you live near a lot of other men. What the electoral college says is that if you live in a populous city, your vote is only worth half because you don't live in a sparsely populated area. That's not to mention the loads of people whose votes don't count at all due to the winner take all system. It strips minority rights in that way.

1. He brought his daughter along for a face to face meeting with the prime minister of Japan. His daughter just happens to be in negotiations with the largest clothing line in Japan to take on her personal line. Oh, and they are owned by the Japanese government.

2. He's appointed Tillerson for SOS. The dude who had a $500 billion dollar oil deal with Russia put on hold due to sanctions Obama approved. If Tillerson gets in how soon before those sanctions get lifted? And how greased does Trump's palm get?

And he's still about a month from actually becoming the POTUS.

My hands are just fine, thank you very much. And it's Trump who has mind control powers.

Q: What are we gonna do?
A: BUILD A WALL!!!!!
Q: And who's going to pay for it?
A: MEXICO!!!!!!!

You say tomayto, I say tomarto. He loves being in the news. Period.

Of course. But don't sit there with a straight face and say that Trump won by a massive amount. Trump saying it is predictable. Goofle saying it is laughable.

I don't know if utilizing it means loving it, but either way it's quite a stupid thing to debate someone's attitudes towards something. That's really only something they can tell you.

Complete and utter bullsh*t. There has been 58 presidential elections in the US. Since 1888 there's only been two times that the winner didn't get the popular vote. GWB lost in 2000 by 0.5% of the PV. Trump lost by 2.1%. The electoral college needs to be re-tooled.

Did Hillary win the popular vote? Nobody said.

By like 3 million votes. Where have you been?

#triggered

The gap closed due to the recount. Should recount the whole bleeding thing in my opinion.

How do you not see how much money his businesses made during the campaign season? Yes he did lose some money over the polarizing comments that he made where certain businesses no longer wanted to be associated with his brand but other than that. He ended up coming out in the black as far as his businesses goes just by running for president. Don't you think that will continue with him as president? He's setting himself up for so many conflicts of interest right now but he's going to continue doing it until he's forced to stop.

Again profits for his businesses and all those campaign donations that ended up just funneled into the businesses and didn't even really go towards the campaigns. He has himself set up so lovely that he doesn't even want the salary that the president gets. He's going to do one of those just give me a 1 dollar for the year because he's making so much from his businesses and if you think he's ever going to be fully detached from his businesses think again. He's basically handing them off to his kids which he can just invite over for dinner and tell him how he wants it run but I'm sure he trusts them to run it the way that he would and if they are doing anything he doesn't like he can just easily talk to them about it. Also deep down to be honest, I think Trump didn't really expect to win. He did it for the money and then when he noticed he had a real chance, he ran with it. He didn't fully come around to thinking that he could actually win til probably the last week before the election.

Trump pretty much used that base and the people on the fringe that doesn't like establishment politicians to win along with all the people that are out of work or have been on hard times with their job or finding a job. He also was spewing so much hate speech that riled up his hardcore fans they wanted to make a final stand against PC culture. People that voted for Trump but want to distance themselves and not be called a bigot/racist for supporting a conman that tapped into the feelings of hatred that people were feeling towards Obama and specific groups whether they are immigrants who they feel are stealing jobs from them or them damn niggers that are just soaking up safety net programs and aren't contributing. Also he played off of the fear that Muslims are evil and need to be registered upon entering the country which is such a POS. If someone said that about Christians there would be hell to pay. Even if you don't believe any of those positions but still voted for Trump. You co-opted that behavior. You are basically saying it's okay to hate those groups. There is no separation there.


This is the reason why it is constantly mentioned because people believe it's time for a change to the system. Just because it's a current law on the books doesn't mean that it should stay that way forever.

Except he's not running for president and IS president.

You can walk your happy ass out of it. Why post in it if you feel like it's pointless. Bye!

Our votes currently don't matter if we live in LA and NYC. The only votes that matter as you know are battleground states because of the Electoral College. They don't even bother campaigning in certain states because of it and those people's voices are drowned out and ignored. There needs to be some sort of change because it doesn't matter if you are for the Electoral College or against it. People's votes will be ignored either way depending on where you live.

Final Results Show Clinton Won Popular Vote By Over 2.8 Million - The New Civil Rights Movement

Not sure where you're getting your information.

To contextualize this, there are oodles more people these days. I see a lot of people thinking that this means as a percentage of the population. She still way outdoes the difference in the popular vote compared to the 2000 election though.