Music Banter

Music Banter (https://www.musicbanter.com/)
-   Current Events, Philosophy, & Religion (https://www.musicbanter.com/current-events-philosophy-religion/)
-   -   What Did President Trump Do Now? (https://www.musicbanter.com/current-events-philosophy-religion/87986-what-did-president-trump-do-now.html)

Exo 12-15-2016 02:26 PM

Sometimes I do actually get one.

Chula Vista 12-15-2016 02:43 PM

Maybe he should have reconsidered wanting to kill education.....


grindy 12-15-2016 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1783493)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...t_standing.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Skidmore_8.jpg

The man on the left is the current American Secretary of Energy, he has a degree in Theoretical Physics from Stanford. He's a legitimate Nuclear Physicist which is great because maintenance of all our Nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants and the American energy grid falls under the Dept. of Energy. The man on the right is the new nominee for Secretary of Energy, he's the former governor of Texas who graduated with a 2.0 GPA and a degree in Animal Science.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...x/64559116.jpg

Also the left guy's hair would have gone great with Trump's.

Two Spirit 12-15-2016 04:30 PM

Hollywood still trying to steal the election.


Psy-Fi 12-15-2016 04:52 PM

^ :laughing:

Anteater 12-15-2016 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1783259)
"I don't have any political morals so I'm cool with Trump"

no **** mate

There's no point in bringing morals into politics, because expecting that kind of accountability from politicians when they have a million other priorities is just foolish idealism. Legislation =/= morality: if people are racist or they hate trans-people then they'll continue to act that way regardless of what gets passed: you can't control people. Politicians all end up compromising on the "greater good" somewhere, even the liberals. Hell, Obama abandoned any semblance of giving a **** years ago when he appointed guys like Eric Holder. His cabinet back in 2008 was taken almost verbatim based on emails his transition team got from Citigroup. No matter how eloquent he sounds in front of a teleprompter, he was bought and paid for from the very start. He's a good person who was probably a fraction as qualified as Trump in a managerial sense but who lacked the experience to implement his ideals and thus became yet another tool for Wall-Street. And I'm saying this as someone who voted for him TWICE.

So instead of being a jackass, try being realistic and look at EVERY side of an argument, not just your party's of choice. I'm apolitical and get my information from a variety of Liberal and Conservative sources (and I read a lot of Forbes). There's always another side to the story. Unless you are a politician yourself or someone operating on the financial level of someone like Rex Tillerson, you are operating on a relatively minimal amount of information anyway because you don't see the methodology, only an outcome that then gets filtered depending on the media source. Just be pragmatic and watchful and stop living your life based on doomsday assumptions. We've had multiple cabinets full of special interests, lobbyists and all kinds of incompetent, questionable people through the past dozen presidencies: has the world ended yet?

elphenor 12-15-2016 07:37 PM

Legislation can't make KKK members kiss black babies good thing it's designed to protect civil rights not magically rewire the brains of the electorate

I recommend studying the issues weighing pros and cons and taking actual stances on them

you're not "apolitical" you're unprincipled and intellectually lazy

Anteater 12-15-2016 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1783755)
Legislation can't make KKK members kiss black babies good thing it's designed to protect civil rights not magically rewire the brains of the electorate

I recommend studying the issues weighing pros and cons and taking actual stances on them

you're not "apolitical" you're unprincipled and intellectually lazy

Says the person dismissing my entire argument? That's a textbook example of intellectual laziness: I gave you a lot to chew on and you come back with three sentences. You do realize that if people choose not to obey laws...they won't right? Laws only protect people when they are acknowledged, but people choose to ignore them all the time or seek workarounds to avoid being subject to punishment by state and federal law. Turn on the news at any given time during the day and you will see legislation being trumped by human nature consistently. If you want to talk politics, you need to take human nature into account. I have stances, but I don't live in a bubble like you do either. You call me unprincipled: I call you naive.

As long as Trump continues his efforts to incentivize companies here in the U.S. to stay here, create more full-tiime jobs and contribute to this country's infrastructure, he's doing what Obama wouldn't do...which is precisely why Trump got my vote this time around: Hillary Clinton would have done nothing. I'm a business owner and I can assure you: nothing is more difficult in this country than running a successful business, big or small alike. The less regulations and more incentives there are, the more jobs will be created as a byproduct. And if those incentives can translate over into the tech sector and education in that area as well, then more power to him.

RL Clown 12-15-2016 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1783772)
As long as Trump continues his efforts to incentivize companies here in the U.S. to stay here, create more full-tiime jobs and contribute to this country's infrastructure, he's doing what Obama wouldn't do...which is precisely why Trump got my vote this time around: Hillary Clinton would have done nothing.

I agree. Donald Trump is the king of change.

The Batlord 12-15-2016 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RL Clown (Post 1783808)
I agree. Donald Trump is the king of change.

I'm sure you'll have all the dimes and nickels you can rub together.

elphenor 12-16-2016 07:08 AM

Quote:

You do realize that if people choose not to obey laws...they won't right? Laws only protect people when they are acknowledged, but people choose to ignore them all the time or seek workarounds to avoid being subject to punishment by state and federal law.
Damn you're totally right we should make murder legal because some people don't follow the law anyway. Great call!

Quote:

As long as Trump continues his efforts to incentivize companies here in the U.S. to stay here, create more full-tiime jobs and contribute to this country's infrastructure, he's doing what Obama wouldn't do
Obama tried to get a bill like this passed and it was major news
Where have you been the last 4 years?



Quote:

Hillary Clinton would have done nothing

A major part of her campaign was "carrot and stick" tactics to keep jobs in The States similar to what Obama proposed. There's absolutely nothing to support the claim that she would have done less than Trump to keep jobs in The States.

Quote:

The less regulations and more incentives there are, the more jobs will be created as a byproduct.
sure but this can't come at the cost of letting the private sector trample all over the populace

Are you familiar with the term "race to the bottom"

djchameleon 12-16-2016 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1783772)
As long as Trump continues his efforts to incentivize companies here in the U.S. to stay here, create more full-tiime jobs and contribute to this country's infrastructure


He's not currently doing that. He's only proposing to punish companies with heavy tariffs for sending their jobs overseas.

elphenor 12-16-2016 08:21 AM

well that's by definition exactly what he said to be fair

heavy tariffs for sending jobs overseas is an incentive to keep jobs in The States

Clinton proposed the same thing

He probably won't get anything like that through Congress though Republicans will probably not allow it

On another note Trump has already said he's in support of lowering taxes on corporations so that could again be seen as incentivizing jobs to stay in the US this part of it Republicans will support, but it will be insanely expensive

djchameleon 12-16-2016 08:22 AM

I don't feel like that's an incentive though.

It sounds more like a punishment.

elphenor 12-16-2016 08:53 AM

It is by definition an incentive

but usually we do talk about incentives as rewards ie tax incentives

Anteater 12-16-2016 10:22 AM

Quote:

Obama tried to get a bill like this passed and it was major news
Where have you been the last 4 years?


I could ask you the same question: where have YOU been the last EIGHT years? As I said before: Obama had good intentions, but his execution was consistently incompetent: he just didn't draw attention to himself the way Trump does. I know all about the Jobs Act. And if Obama had gone about things a different way, something like it might have actually passed. It isn't just the Republicans fault.

The Fiscal Times: Obama's Jobs Act Not Just A Failure, But A Fraud

elphenor 12-16-2016 10:41 AM

Yes you get a law passed by drawing attention to yourself haha

What do you think that speech is about

It's what political scientists call "going public" basically the terminology for as you put it "drawing attention to yourself"

It got massive media coverage

It is indeed the Republicans fault because Obama bent over backwards to include conservative ideas in the bill including tax cuts and it was still obstructed

Chula Vista 12-16-2016 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1783892)
He's not currently doing that. He's only proposing to punish companies with heavy tariffs for sending their jobs overseas.

Or giving them massive tax breaks to stay here. All at our expense of course.

Chula Vista 12-16-2016 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1783903)
he just didn't draw attention to himself the way Trump does.

You mean the way 14 year old girls do on Twitter?

Frownland 12-16-2016 12:05 PM

There are a lot of companies that would bring their business to the us if there were more tax breaks and such. It'd be a short term boost to the system that will dwindle over time like it historically has, so at least we can party a little bit before we face the music.

Frownland 12-16-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1783943)
You mean the way 14 year old girls do on Twitter?

Them, and PT Barnum.

elphenor 12-16-2016 12:48 PM

Tax cuts are just the most expensive form of stimulus with most of the money going into the saving accounts of the ultra wealthy

An infrastructure bill would be the best case scenario but again I don't see Repubs sending Trump a bill like without hand outs to wealthy

djchameleon 12-16-2016 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1783942)
Or giving them massive tax breaks to stay here. All at our expense of course.

These tax breaks already exist. I know especially in NY state. They keep boasting about how they are bringing jobs to NY but all they are doing is offering businesses the opportunity to not pay taxes for decades at a time and of course the tax burden ends up falling on the people that work for said business and everyone else. It's the main reason that certain school art and music programs are shutting down or the entire school is closing all together.
They are planning to build a Legoland near by and it will bring a nice influx of jobs but the downside is that they are going to be able to go 30 years without paying any state/local taxes. The same taxes that go towards helping schools in the area and the municipality's budget.

Chula Vista 12-16-2016 01:13 PM

Quote:

Donald Trump's pick for senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council once suggested Russian President Vladimir Putin should hack former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's emails.

In June, Monica Crowley tweeted a Daily Caller article that reported that the State Department wouldn't release Clinton's emails for 27 months.
She wrote in her tweet, "I guess Putin is going to have to do it."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzwFRBjXgAAqKIi.jpg

Key 12-16-2016 02:32 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2911859

Quote:

On Tuesday night, Ta-Nehisi Coates made a guest appearance with Trevor Noah on “The Daily Show” to discuss “My President Was Black” — his brilliant reflection on the Obama presidency. On Wednesday, The Daily Show posted a memed quote from Coates that has been liked over 230,000 times.

It says this:

If I have to jump six feet to get the same thing that you have to jump two feet for — that’s how racism works.

To be President, Obama had to be scholarly, intelligent, President of the Harvard Law Review, the product of some of our greatest educational institutions, capable of talking to two different worlds.
Quote:

Donald Trump will be the first President of the United States in 25 years to not have a graduate degree of any kind. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and had a law degree from Yale University. Even George W. Bush had a Harvard MBA. Trump has B.S. in economics from University of Pennsylvania, but no advanced education.

Trollheart 12-16-2016 06:08 PM

Trump calls it "Street smarts" vs "Book smarts". Seriously. He used this phrase on The Apprentice. I think that tells you a lot about him.

djchameleon 12-16-2016 06:47 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-ca...212344891.html

Quote:

The population of the United States is more diverse than ever, yet with each new Cabinet appointment announced by President-elect Donald Trump, his proposed administration looks poised to become one of the whitest White Houses in recent history.

With his core team in place — Vice President Mike Pence, chief of staff Reince Priebus, national security adviser Mike Flynn and chief strategist Steve Bannon — Trump is already guaranteed to enter the Oval Office surrounded by white men.

The rest of Trump’s Cabinet appointments must first be confirmed by the Senate. But of the 18 people he’s already picked for the top roles requiring Senate approval, 14 are white and of those, 12 are also male.
He has his one token so I guess it's okay.:rolleyes:

Anteater 12-17-2016 12:06 AM

http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-conte...template10.jpg

Chula Vista 12-17-2016 01:00 AM

id·i·ot
ˈidēət/Submit
nouninformal
a stupid person.
synonyms: fool, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; More
MEDICINEarchaic
a mentally handicapped person.

Trollheart 12-17-2016 06:31 AM

I'm just going to assume you're not calling Anteater an idiot, cos if you are we're gonna have to have words... :ar_15s:

Trollheart 12-17-2016 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1783945)
Them, and PT Barnum.

Is this some new supergroup with Van Morrison?? :yikes:

Anteater 12-17-2016 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1784196)
id·i·ot
ˈidēət/Submit
nouninformal
a stupid person.
synonyms: fool, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; More
MEDICINEarchaic
a mentally handicapped person.

You shouldn't judge Malik Obama by the color of his skin, but by his god tier level of shitposting.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-17-2016 09:51 AM

Malik > Barrack

Chula Vista 12-17-2016 11:41 AM

Quote:

Malik Obama’s reasons for supporting Trump remain somewhat unclear and may stem from hard feelings he has toward his half-brother. But whatever the reason, that support was vehement, particularly on Twitter, where he was so adamantly pro-Trump that his account was often accused of being a parody.
Shortly before the election, though, Obama was verified by Twitter. And since that verification, something weird has happened: Malik Obama has gone full chanterculture, ****lord troll, adopting much of the language and similar tactics to those used by the alt-right.
To wit: Obama frequently calls his opponents cucks. Obama discusses the Swahili meaning of “Harambe.” Obama rails against “fake news” like CNN and the Huffington Post. Obama goes back and forth with Bill Mitchell. Obama assures his followers that he has not been “spirit cooked” (Pizzagate for “forced into a Satanic rite”). Obama shares Pepe memes of himself bearing the name “Memelik Obameme.” Etc.
Again, IDIOT.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-17-2016 12:33 PM

awh cute, old man Chula doesn't understand the Internet.

Chula Vista 12-17-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1784256)
awh cute, old man Chula doesn't understand the Internet.

awh cute, young snot trying to troll an adult.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-17-2016 01:04 PM

im not trolling lol i genuinely think you calling Malik Obama an idiot is showing you don't really get internet culture or w/e you wanna call it. he has one of the funniest twitter profiles going.

Key 12-17-2016 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1784258)
awh cute, young snot trying to troll an adult.

http://error1355.com/img/gif/hmm.gif

Frownland 12-17-2016 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1784258)
awh cute, young snot trying to troll an adult.

I repeat: IDIOT.

elphenor 12-17-2016 04:28 PM

If he's not I am

caling ant an idiot


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:49 PM.


© 2003-2021 Advameg, Inc.