Music Banter

Music Banter (https://www.musicbanter.com/)
-   Current Events, Philosophy, & Religion (https://www.musicbanter.com/current-events-philosophy-religion/)
-   -   What Did President Trump Do Now? (https://www.musicbanter.com/current-events-philosophy-religion/87986-what-did-president-trump-do-now.html)

The Batlord 12-11-2016 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781871)
Also the quality of education you receive varies wildly depending on which side of town you live

Everyone knew which school was the "bad school" when I was growing up
Going there meant the difference between going to college and going to prison

Totally, but that's not something I see changing at all. A refocus on working class vocational training is actually something that might be doable as I see it, and especially if targeted at those "bad schools".

Granted, I'm not an expert on education, but vocational training programs in high schools and programs targeted at giving students on a path to such jobs a bridge between high school and the workplace might not only be more workable, but would make more sense regardless of how much money was allocated to what school.

Sorry to say, but teaching calculus to inner city youths with likely no future at Harvard is probably a waste of our money and their time unless they show an ability and affinity for it. Teaching them how to weld is far more likely to benefit them.

elphenor 12-11-2016 04:01 PM

I agree with that

There needs to be more programs like the military where they accept and train anyone for a good job

Trollheart 12-11-2016 04:10 PM

Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

Key 12-11-2016 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1781908)
Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

Precisely what I'm getting at.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-11-2016 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1781908)
Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

we have child allowance here as well. i would rather see it vary on your income (so someone on the poverty line gets much more than someone well off) so that way they wouldn't need a welfare cheque as well.

djchameleon 12-11-2016 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1781882)
In this day and age, I suppose the only livable wage you could find is going to school and getting a degree. I'm not disputing that it's near impossible to find livable wage jobs. Personally it just doesn't seem like food stamps should be abused the way they are. They're far too accessible for people that don't need them. Same goes for unemployment.

My younger brother and his girlfriend use them and they go to school and work full time jobs. They live in a house together with 2 roommates so any expenses go toward EBT. That to me just doesn't feel right, but again, it's just a personal thing.

What do you consider a livable wage?

Maybe it's different in different states but you have to provide information about how much you make and if you are going to school. You also provide your social security. So if you end up lying to them and telling them something that isn't true then you are committing fraud and will be arrested when they do fraud sweeps which they do every once in awhile. Unemployment benefits are something that the employer pays into and I don't see that the same way as applying for food stamps/welfare. Unemployment is a good buffer to help you out after an employer fires you/get laid off/downsized while you are looking for another job. What your younger brother and his gf are doing is illegal if they lied about it and they will get locked up sooner or later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781889)
I agree with that

There needs to be more programs like the military where they accept and train anyone for a good job

They have job corps that is focused more of trade skills. It's kind of similar to military school but it's usually for 18 years to like 25 I believe.

The Batlord 12-11-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1781949)
They have job corps that is focused more of trade skills. It's kind of similar to military school but it's usually for 18 years to like 25 I believe.

Unfortunately job corps doesn't really seem to advertise. It would be amazing if high schools would steer students not on the fast track to college to job corps, but that just doesn't happen as far as I know.

Exo 12-11-2016 07:14 PM

Quote:

Mr Trump also said in the interview he did not need daily intelligence briefings.
"I'm a smart person, I don't need to be told the same thing in the same way for eight years."

Donald Trump rejects CIA Russia hacking report - BBC News
Oh man. This is hysterically horrifying.

djchameleon 12-11-2016 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1782046)
Oh man. This is hysterically horrifying.

He's so sure that he's going to be in for two terms.

Zhanteimi 12-11-2016 07:19 PM

There won't be another presidential election.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:14 PM.


© 2003-2021 Advameg, Inc.