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The Batlord 12-11-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1781805)
What exactly is a proper education to you? You don't need to graduate high school to know how to have safe sex or use that $20 for food instead of drugs.

I'd say this one-size fits all, college or bust style of education is ****. The current American curriculum seems almost entirely based on getting kids into college (which it still doesn't do well) while ignoring any child who will enter the workforce directly after high school. I know some school systems have programs to help kids get into apprenticeships for trades or whatnot, but invariably I also hear that those programs are underfunded, even though they should get just as much attention as any course meant to prepare students for college.

Key 12-11-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1781814)
I think the system should be there to benefit single parents and that's about it.

Seems like qwert and I are on the same page with this.

elphenor 12-11-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1781792)
Nah. I just don't see why I should be on food stamps when I have the ability to make more when people on food stamps don't have the ability to make more. It makes me selfish if I have access to a livable income (but don't bother) to put myself into the same league as those that are disabled or unable to work due to health reasons.

If you're getting paid less than 15/hrs you're getting mugged by society anyway

elphenor 12-11-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1781820)
I'd say this one-size fits all, college or bust style of education is ****. The current American curriculum seems almost entirely based on getting kids into college (which it still doesn't do well) while ignoring any child who will enter the workforce directly after high school. I know some school systems have programs to help kids get into apprenticeships for trades or whatnot, but invariably I also hear that those programs are underfunded, even though they should get just as much attention as any course meant to prepare students for college.

Also the quality of education you receive varies wildly depending on which side of town you live

Everyone knew which school was the "bad school" when I was growing up
Going there meant the difference between going to college and going to prison

djchameleon 12-11-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1781727)
DJ, you keep talking about "percentages" yet you haven't provided any actual evidence of this to be the case. .


All you have to do is ask me to back it up with stats and I will go provide the stats for you.

I'm not going to do that extra work ahead of time. Pfft.
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Improper welfare payments, including fraud, are estimated to be 10.1% of all federal welfare payments made and totaled $71.5 billion in fiscal year 2015.
http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1781727)
I think there are a lot of people on either side, abusing the system and needing the system. But I do not believe throwing money at a person (regardless of the sum) helps to fix a problem. Looking anecdotally at the issue, much like DWV, most people I've seen in these situations are there because more than anything else they're lazy. Tax dollars shouldn't have to pay them to sit around.

The narrative and based off of people's personal experience. Most people think that everyone is conning and abusing the system but it's just not true. SNAP and Welfare is meant to be a safety net program for when people fall on hard times. When they get fired from their job and unemployment benefits isn't cutting it or whatever other situation that leads to them not being able to survive. I think everyone that can qualify for it should have access to it. It is temporary even though it doesn't seem like it based off how long people have been on it.

Key 12-11-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781870)
If you're getting paid less than 15/hrs you're getting mugged by society anyway

Sure. But I still have the ability and freedom to change that whereas those with disabilities and a fixed income do not. Therefore they should be allowed to enjoy food stamps. If I can get out a find a well paying job, I shouldn't feel the need to get help from the government when I don't need it.

elphenor 12-11-2016 02:38 PM

If you have a Burger King job or whatever even if it's part time you ought to be justly compensated for that job

The government is too weak to force massive multi billion dollar corporations to let their workers share in the profits

So at least get an EBT card you've earned it

Key 12-11-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781875)
If you have a Burger King job or whatever even if it's part time you ought to be justly compensated for that job

The government is too weak to force massive multi billion dollar corporations to let their workers share in the profits

So at least get an EBT card you've earned it

Of course. I'm not disagreeing with that at all. But what I'm trying to get across is the fact that if you are on food stamps and make a livable wage, you're abusing the system because you feel "more money is better than less". It's the same if someone with a multi million dollar home receives welfare checks. That's how I see it anyway.

elphenor 12-11-2016 02:42 PM

I mean you'd have to define "livable wage"

I've made it on a minimum wage job but it was 3-4 roommates in a studio and ****t like that

Any wage is technically liveable when you have no choice

Key 12-11-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781879)
I mean you'd have to define "livable wage"

I've made it on a minimum wage job but it was 3-4 roommates in a studio and ****ty like that

In this day and age, I suppose the only livable wage you could find is going to school and getting a degree. I'm not disputing that it's near impossible to find livable wage jobs. Personally it just doesn't seem like food stamps should be abused the way they are. They're far too accessible for people that don't need them. Same goes for unemployment.

My younger brother and his girlfriend use them and they go to school and work full time jobs. They live in a house together with 2 roommates so any expenses go toward EBT. That to me just doesn't feel right, but again, it's just a personal thing.


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