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OccultHawk 08-01-2019 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2069601)
I would've thought the anarchist in you would just view a hurricane as a good looting opportunity.

I wanted to clarify that. I don’t want to be ungovernable; I want to be a person that doesn’t need to be governed. And I behave accordingly.

jwb 08-01-2019 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2069604)
I wanted to clarify that. I don’t want to be ungovernable; I want to be a person that doesn’t need to be governed. And I behave accordingly.

it was just a joke anyway. I never knew blacks to be great swimmers until Katrina hit and I saw people doing the breast stroke with a flat screen strapped to their back.



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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2069607)
I'm for removing the profit motive entirely from fossil fuels aka nationalize them

money currently going to shareholders/Board of directors is all redirected to Green Energy

we execute every CEO just cuz

I don't care about the fossil fuel companies but carbon taxes go far beyond them which is why they hurt the economy.

Basically I mostly see it as a distraction where as the real solution lies in technology that renders the current infrastructure irrelevant.

jwb 08-01-2019 12:39 PM

How much do they reduce them by, really? I don't think they even come close to making a meaningful dent.

jwb 08-01-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2069614)
that would all depend on how steep the tax is

their other purpose could be to use the gov to redirect money from fossil fuels to Green research

it'll take a ton of money to get the tech we need

I don't think it takes a carbon tax... If we just properly funded either NASA or the DOD and put them to it they could figure it out

Honestly my main beef is carbon taxes aren't a real solution yet they're the go to talking point for Democrats. I don't see them as the end of the world, just unnecessary and possibly politically counter productive.

jwb 08-01-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2069622)
whatever damage done to the economy in the short term will likely pale in comparison to the damage that's being done long term

I don't disagree I just think it would face a lot less political opposition without the carbon tax and at this point we have debated it long enough and need to move towards a real long term solution.

OccultHawk 08-01-2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2069616)
today was my first experience of "oh, you didnt bring your own bag?" they stopped doing plastic bags at two local grocery stores :cool: i love it :)

i felt weird because i didnt bring one but they were nice enough to give me one, Big Y is the stores name.


i normally bring my aldi bags to their store since they already on that path since way way back. wish trader joes had more money to open in rural areas like general dollar is. general store realizes that rural commercial land is rare and valuable for a national structure of stores.(in my opinion) :o:

every product you buy has a huge trail of plastic - the original packaging for pre-value added ingredients or materials- packing for shipping - repackaging after the product is made - packaging again for shipment

the store patting themselves on the back for inconveniencing you and saving money under the wildly false pretense of reducing waste is complete bull****

OccultHawk 08-01-2019 01:55 PM

This is obviously just speculation but fossil fuels are so effective and cheap I believe every last ounce of it will be mined and burned even at the cost of the annihilation of our species. Our ancestors don’t even exist. Ultimately, we’re not going to be inconvenienced in the present for a future that is not ours. Even if we discover better alternative energy sources (and I don’t think we will) we’ll still use whatever we invent in tandem with fossil fuels. No law, no treaty, no nothing is going to stop it.

OccultHawk 08-01-2019 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2069636)
:o:

I totally respect that about you. Real talk.

OccultHawk 08-01-2019 02:29 PM

When I was prepping fish the fish came in sets of cases sealed in plastic. The plastic was removed and thrown out. Then inside the cases the fish were inside another sealed bag of plastic. Inside that bag the fish pieces were sealed again in airtight plastic. I opened maybe a thousand of those packages daily and cut the fish again weighed the portions and put the portions in plastic bags before putting them in pans.

In our dining area there was a sign that said “Save Our Beaches! No Straws unless requested” (or something like that)

I actually called the Sierra Club and other environmental groups and asked them if they had any advice for me on how to approach our management on how to reduce our plastics waste. They had nothing for me. I was told I would be contacted and I never was.

The Batlord 08-01-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2069618)
I don't think it takes a carbon tax... If we just properly funded either NASA or the DOD and put them to it they could figure it out

Honestly my main beef is carbon taxes aren't a real solution yet they're the go to talking point for Democrats. I don't see them as the end of the world, just unnecessary and possibly politically counter productive.

I agree carbon taxes are essentially worthless but do you think it's politically counter productive to not do anything against oil companies who actively lobby and spread propaganda (funding Prager U and right wing talking heads and such) to kill anything that hurts their business model? Are they not literally The Enemy, or one of them at least?


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