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Frownland 04-08-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111642)
I doubt they’re going to fire anyone and risk that sort of bad press.

I think it's worth a shot too, but this could go either way. If I were batman, I'd base their aversion to bad press on how much the cleaning standards at his BK have improved. Corps like them often have a big enough lawsuit fund to not give a **** about repercussions.

OccultHawk 04-08-2020 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2111643)
I think it's worth a shot too, but this could go either way. If I were batman, I'd base their aversion to bad press on how much the cleaning standards at his BK have improved. Corps like them often have a big enough lawsuit fund to not give a **** about repercussions.

If he gets fired he’ll get unemployment. Fired for not coming in with a cough during a pandemic. It’s a slam dunk.

OccultHawk 04-08-2020 11:10 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...s-2020-3%3famp

What fast-food workers at chains like McDonald's and Taco Bell wish customers knew about working through a pandemic

It’s just really depressing.

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Workers reported that some customers were treating employees poorly in the face of the coronavirus outbreak. Multiple workers shared stories of customers coughing on them, either by accident or as a "joke." Others said customers had yelled at them due to restricted hours or longer wait times.

"I hate to generalize, but so many Starbucks customers are extremely entitled," a second Starbucks worker said. "They will cough all over us without covering their mouths, they will berate us, all in the midst of a pandemic."
Jesus Christ - seriously. This country deserves to die.

The Batlord 04-08-2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111642)
You should just say you have a cough and tightness of chest and stop going in. I doubt they’re going to fire anyone and risk that sort of bad press. I’d take two weeks and see what’s going on then. If you have to go to the doctor and just say you have a cough and tightness of chest. I did my doctor visit on zoom this morning. Easy af.

Hopefully, fast food will be connected with spreading the virus soon and be completely shutdown. There’s no reason for fast food workers to be risking death when the CEO’s who could physically distance at work aren’t even coming in. People can cook their own food ffs.

Fast food in New York is still open so unless something crazy happens we are not closing. I could take two weeks off and then be expected to come in two weeks later because we'd still be open and the epidemic would be worse so I'd be in a worse situation. It's more like I need to quit.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2111643)
I think it's worth a shot too, but this could go either way. If I were batman, I'd base their aversion to bad press on how much the cleaning standards at his BK have improved. Corps like them often have a big enough lawsuit fund to not give a **** about repercussions.

Lol cleaning standards. They can give all the updated standards they want but when you're working in a restaurant that's flooded with business those standards go out the window cause the bosses of my bosses don't give a **** about anything but drive thru time. Just today we had an inspection by BK higher up to make sure we were complying with **** and the person was laughing that social distancing was impossible in a kitchen while she and my store manager were crowding the **** out of me inspecting ****.

New hygiene standards are a joke and everyone in the business knows it and just puts it out of their mind because slaves don't challenge their masters. You don't want to know how often I wash my hands when we're in a rush, which now is basically my whole shift.

WWWP 04-08-2020 11:18 PM

I really am so disenchanted with the idea of revolutionizing anything. I'm tired of losing hope.

How do you go off the grid?

The Batlord 04-08-2020 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2111647)
I really am so disenchanted with the idea of revolutionizing anything. I'm tired of losing hope.

I'm hardwired to sneer at my fellow man and their illusions but while I'm full of self-indulgent **** in plenty of ways I legit don't think I'm wrong that the human race is hopeless as far as becoming anything worth putting your faith in. We innovate in amazing ways and can be great people in certain, small ways, but as a whole we're contemptible and so of course we needed a bat**** crazy book like the Bible to come along and just be like "OMG you're all so horrible what the **** is so hard to understand about 'love thy neighbor'?!" And so of course it failed but did give us countless genocides.

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How do you go off the grid?
I suspect you start with not being raised in modern society where you're accustomed to modern convenience. Being from Wyoming probably gives you a serious leg up tbh. You should seriously look into a commune or something.

WWWP 04-08-2020 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111648)
I'm hardwired to sneer at my fellow man and their illusions but while I'm full of self-indulgent **** in plenty of ways I legit don't think I'm wrong that the human race is hopeless as far as becoming anything worth putting your faith in. We innovate in amazing ways and can be great people in certain, small ways, but as a whole we're contemptible and so of course we needed a bat**** crazy book like the Bible to come along and just be like "OMG you're all so horrible what the **** is so hard to understand about 'love thy neighbor'?!" And so of course it failed but did give us countless genocides.



I suspect you start with not being raised in modern society where you're accustomed to modern convenience. Being from Wyoming probably gives you a serious leg up tbh. You should seriously look into a commune or something.

It's just that I've spent so much time trying to convince myself of the good in people for my own sanity, it doesn't feel like winning to give up.

I am honestly the perfect recruit for a cult, but no one has ever reached out to me. :(

The Batlord 04-09-2020 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2111650)
It's just that I've spent so much time trying to convince myself of the good in people for my own sanity, it doesn't feel like winning to give up.

I am honestly the perfect recruit for a cult, but no one has ever reached out to me. :(

I understand. Really I do. Most people are likable and mostly tolerable (at least in small doses) and plenty of people can surprise you, but that's been true presumably for all of history and yet here we are with history books full of depressing ****. And also here we are with all of these likable people who love their kids and want to help you out and not screw you over who'll blindside you over and over and over with the kind of **** I hear everyday that basically amounts to big L liberalism.

Nobody wants to help out anyone they don't think is pulling their weight and what they think is pulling their weight is always what they self-indulgently presume to be their own standards of pulling weight which does not include any consideration for lower physical ability, lower intelligence, difference in mentality, or difference in background. Perfectly nice people will proudly throw under the bus anyone who might be covered by the ideal of "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" because there's a million ways to rationalize how that person who needs more is simply a parasite.

The only thing considered is whether anyone else is annoying you by inconveniencing you.

The Batlord 04-09-2020 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111653)
it's also a fair criticism that a lot of people say they support the left candidate but never bother to vote

that wave of new voters simply didn't happen

what percentage of internet Bernie Bros even registered

It's also a fair criticism that millions of people died in the Holocaust for literally no reason except that Trump voters won in 1933.

DwnWthVwls 04-09-2020 05:42 AM

It's good to read all the human hate. Join me in my dreams that one day there will be a button we can press to end human existence. Until such a time, be the least destructive person you can be.

Psy-Fi 04-09-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111610)
Let’s call them Trump Bucks. It’s sexy.

https://i.ibb.co/dKJVXT6/DWB.jpg

Daddy Trumpbucks.

Lucem Ferre 04-09-2020 04:01 PM

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jwb 04-10-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111657)
It's also a fair criticism that millions of people died in the Holocaust for literally no reason except that Trump voters won in 1933.

from what I understand the Nazis didn't exactly win their power democratically but I also don't vote because I'm lazy but I rationalize it as one vote never really makes a difference which has technically always been true. In order to create a logic for voting really mattering you have to assume you're a representative of a larger subset that will hopefully vote which obviously isn't what actually happens. I believe this is known as the free rider problem. I am the free rider.

jwb 04-10-2020 07:50 AM

If they made it online or something maybe

If I'm not even willing to show up every 4 years I'm certainly not willing to be constantly engaged in direct democracy

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 08:45 AM

**** a workplace.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 08:53 AM

The robots will chain us to the grills.

jwb 04-10-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111816)
the idea of direct democracy gets confused when you funnel it through the lens of the current system

it wouldn't be about voting in a poll

direct democracy would mean you're actively included in the decision making whether you like it or not in your workplace and local community

sounds like you're referring to co-ops where I'm thinking more in terms of national policy

jwb 04-10-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111819)
The robots will chain us to the grills.

as they should.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111822)
no direct democracy is going to have nations as we know them

Can I bunk with Donald?

jwb 04-10-2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111822)
no direct democracy is going to have nations as we know them

yeah I don't see that happening

Psy-Fi 04-10-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111823)
Can I bunk with Donald?


OccultHawk 04-10-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2111824)
yeah I don't see that happening

Dream a little. What can it hurt?

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 12:46 PM

We live a lifestyle that is unsustainable. That means if we continue like this billions will die. Then if you offer a suggestion people disregard it like it’s ridiculous as if our actually reality isn’t. You hear “That’ll never work!” Well guess what? This **** isn’t working.

Our current political systems cannot take us another century as a species so clinging on to the status quo is infinitely more naive than embracing radical change.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111867)
that's true

democracy as an alternative to authoritarian rule anywhere and everywhere has inherent value tho imo

it makes the case for itself by being morally correct

Except people are stupid.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111867)
that's true

democracy as an alternative to authoritarian rule anywhere and everywhere has inherent value tho imo

it makes the case for itself by being morally correct

I want that but I think it’s going to take crazy levels totalitarianism to get there. That’s why I do feel sympathy for Stalinism. That whole thing of I want more than I need and defending private property to the death. So many people would need to die first before it could work. Capitalist brains need to stop living on this planet. There’s probably no other way to get there.

I don’t need another history lesson on why Stalin bad either. He’s flawed but so far he’s the best example of the process.

If Trump could trade capitalism for communism he’d love it. It’s terrible but I’d give him the reins if he started straight sending all property owners to their deaths. He needs a scapegoat. Class divisions could work, too. Hitler was a Jew. What’s it matter if the greatest communist is a capitalist? Trotsky called Stalin a capitalist. Stalin was a capitalist but most of the people he killed deserved it.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111876)
Except people are stupid.

Stupid people will fall in line though.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111880)
I want that but I think it’s going to take crazy levels totalitarianism to get there. That’s why I do feel sympathy for Stalinism. That whole thing of I want more than I need and defending private property to the death. So many people would need to die first before it could work. Capitalist brains need to stop living on this planet. There’s probably no other way to get there.

I don’t need another history lesson on why Stalin bad either. He’s flawed but so far he’s the best example of the process.

If Trump could trade capitalism for communism he’d love it. It’s terrible but I’d give him the reins if he started straight sending all property owners to their deaths. He needs a scapegoat. Class divisions could work, too. Hitler was a Jew. What’s it matter if the greatest communist is a capitalist? Trotsky called Stalin a capitalist. Stalin was a capitalist but most of the people he killed deserved it.

In what world do you think an authoritarian gives power back to the people he's been killing?

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111881)
Stupid people will fall in line though.

If you can make actual socialism the new norm for a generation or two then maybe. But some time during that period I highly doubt everything doesn't go off track.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:29 PM

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In what world do you think an authoritarian gives power back to the people he's been killing?
It’s a conundrum. Even so. Step one is killing property owners. Worry about step two after they’re dead.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:33 PM

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But some time during that period I highly doubt everything doesn't go off track.
So what. We’re so off track now we’re ablut to make the planet uninhabitable

The Batlord 04-10-2020 04:34 PM

Yeah that's how we ended up with a bunch of failed communist states and China. I don't know how Vietnam is doing tbh (I hear not bad) but I also don't know if they were ever as extreme as Russia or Cambodia.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:35 PM

Gotta keep trying!

The Batlord 04-10-2020 04:43 PM

I don't think poor countries flogging themselves to death on the altar of building the proletariat is a workable solution tbh, and hoping that we can just vote in people who'll enact socialism is obviously just as naive. I think we literally just have to wait for all those band-aids capitalism keeps applying to gaping wounds to stop working and for the world economy to finally collapse so hard that the populace irrevocably loses faith in the current system and then... pray the generals aren't too quick to the punch.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111893)
I don't think poor countries flogging themselves to death on the altar of building the proletariat is a workable solution tbh, and hoping that we can just vote in people who'll enact socialism is obviously just as naive. I think we literally just have to wait for all those band-aids capitalism keeps applying to gaping wounds to stop working and for the world economy to finally collapse so hard that the populace irrevocably loses faith in the current system and then... pray the generals aren't too quick to the punch.

We are closer now than we’ve ever been!

Thank you Covid-19

Anteater 04-10-2020 05:03 PM

I can't tell if you guys genuinely care about the poor or if you just hate people in general.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2111905)
I can't tell if you guys genuinely care about the poor or if you just hate people in general.

Yes.

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 05:12 PM

They're living in a society.

Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize we live in a society too.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2111905)
I can't tell if you guys genuinely care about the poor or if you just hate people in general.

I change my mind a lot

I don’t have a personality that doesn’t hate rich people though

Anteater 04-10-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2111909)
They're living in a society.

Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize we live in a society too.

Deeper than a U2 song and twice as thicc.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111924)
I change my mind a lot

I don’t have a personality that doesn’t hate rich people though

Do you hate Batman?

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2111925)
Deeper than a U2 song and twice as thicc.



Do you hate Batman?

Duh, Batman creates a wealth disparity that breeds crime from the desperate working class citizens of Gotham that can't make ends meat. Then he beats the living **** out of these desperate people with families they are trying to feed. Then he adopts their children, puts them in tights and forces them to fight crime with him which is technically also a crime but we all know rich folk are self righteous ****s that try to justify every evil thing they do. You ever wonder why there are so many crazy ****s in Gotham? Because they live in a trap designed by the Wayne corporation that does nothing but take from them and brutalize them when they don't fall in line and starve under the iron cleats that Bruce Wayne is literally stomping into their throats. Not once has Batman thought about improving the city by investing in proper mental health research and facilities or improving working conditions and he obviously isn't paying his employees ****. You seen Arkham Asylum? It's a ****ing **** hole! How is anybody supposed be helped there? Batman is garbage.

Anteater 04-10-2020 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2111926)
Duh, Batman creates a wealth disparity that breeds crime from the desperate working class citizens of Gotham that can't make ends meat. Then he beats the living **** out of these desperate people with families they are trying to feed. Then he adopts their children, puts them in tights and forces them to fight crime with him which is technically also a crime but we all know rich folk are self righteous ****s that try to justify every evil thing they do. You ever wonder why there are so many crazy ****s in Gotham? Because they live in a trap designed by the Wayne corporation that does nothing but take from them and brutalize them when they don't fall in line and starve under the iron cleats that Bruce Wayne is literally stomping into their throats. Not once has Batman thought about improving the city by investing in proper mental health research and facilities or improving working conditions and he obviously isn't paying his employees ****. You seen Arkham Asylum? It's a ****ing **** hole! How is anybody supposed be helped there? Batman is garbage.

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