But I didn't ask you. I asked Goofle who labeled the entire other side en masse.

Goofle, you say one side wants to control race and the other ideas.

I say one side wants to promote hate, bigotry, racism, and fear and the other side is not going sit by idle.

The Klan, and White Nationalist have a long history of violence and murder. And we all know the history of Nazism. Lots of people I saw interviewed talked about how they either had family members or knew of people who did who died as a result of those evil ideologies. It's no wonder passions would run high with some of those while listening to a bunch of dudes screaming racists and hateful crap at the top of their lungs.

Putting both sides on equal standing is simply wrong on so many levels from where I sit. I'm not advocating violence. It's wrong. It's not the answer. But one of the things I was reminded of by my doctor after I had that fugue is that the majority of our brain is no different than an animal. The logic portion is actually quite small. It's really easy to sit in front of a computer thousands of miles away and preach. But maybe standing right next to it might cause you to ignore normal logic a bit.

And then once the first punch is thrown the animal takes completely over with a lot of people.

Anyway, rant over.

Maybe when the other side adapts that philosophy to justify their political own violence, you'll understand why I find this concerning. Kind of like how Trump helped people realize that Obama's expansion of the executive office was not a great idea, even if Obama used that expansion for mostly good efforts.

In a court of law, is "but I was super mad" a defense?

Not the point dumbass.

What was the point then? What I got from it was violence is justified in the event that people are worked up.

In the case of modern Nazis what are you hoping to achieve? Do you think starting a riot will convince the Nazis of the error of their ways? Will it make them too scared to throw down again? Will it convince the populace watching it on the news that your side is right? What exactly is the benefit? Their ideology is already marginalized in the extreme, and the racialist bits that they share with mainstream strong conservatives aren't going to be discredited by knuckles and bicycle chains.

I didn't say justified. But smetimes it just happens when passions boil over. Ever been in a fight? Ever started a fight?

Not everyone has the same level of passive restraint either. We're all wired differently.

You don't know much about Antifa and other more violent left wing protest groups do you? They don't just shut down white supremacy events, they protest and attempt to prevent public speakers they don't agree with from being able to talk. They burn stuff and throw bricks at people who disagree.

As I said, you may agree with their dislike of Ben Shapiro - for example - but do you agree that Ben Shapiro should be able to go and give a talk without having people blocking the entrance? Trying to shut down that exchange of ideas.

Look up the word infer

The only violence I can respect is assassinating some influential hitlery political leader.
Beating up some right wing dumbass on the street is surely satisfying but pointless as ****.

Yes I do. But the vast majority of the protesters in Virginia were not Antifa.

It was not Nazis vs Antifa like you are trying to make it out to be.

Ever been in a fight? Ever started a fight?

Oh, ok. That's fine then. Like I said, I haven't been paying attention, my information is still like two days old.

I've been in 3 fights, only one of which I started and not a single one was a justified use of violence. By the time I got to my second year of making people angry at college parties, I began taking the de-escalation approach which usually involves a bear hug where I bring them to the ground until they chill out.

And have you forgotten that personalization does nothing for me in an argument? Go toss your schmaltzy Tom Hanks film reasoning at someone else.

Unless you're like, talking about the people who willingly took part in the violence and stuff.

Frowny, look up Eristic. It's so you.

Already addressed this, but of course you ignored me.

It's true, I absolutely love debate. It can be very informative and eye-opening if both sides are willing to participate like adults.

I wasn't talking to you.

Not everyone who was there protesting on the "alt-right" side was a Nazi or white supremacist. That's the truth, but it runs counter to the narrative the media are trying to spin.

And in the spirit of fairness, I'll also say that ANTIFA and BLM didn't make up the majority of the counter protestors either.

This situation is a good example of a case where a little nuance would have gone a long way. But as usual, the media are opportunistic and Trump's brazen language (and ill-thought out metaphors) only spurred them on.

I haven't even Breitbart try to discredit that it was a white supremacist rally. Keep breaking that ground ant.

But no-one's eyes ever get opened much here. Everyone is pretty dug in so it ends up coming off more like just arguing for aguments sake.

Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting the Robert E. Lee statue's takedown? I didn't see that to be the case, least in all the vids I've seen. We should respect the rights of people who want to protest (for whatever reason they want to protest) as long as its done peacefully. The problem is when people resort to violence, which is where they crossed the line.

Again, a little nuance goes a long way here. I've followed the story extensively and just pointing out inconsistencies.

I can see why you feel that way given how you approach debate. I have had 5 star debates with DWV, grindy, Janzsoon, and tore (who might be before your time) to name a few where I came out of the discussion with a different viewpoint. It's actually why this thread was made in the first place, because people who weren't approaching debate constructively were dominating the conversation and DWV wanted to actually learn something instead of read boring personal insult based ****storms.

I saw one guy who had a wheel in his hands.

So you have to have a weapon to be a white supremacist? That must be what you mean or else "Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting" is a rather odd non sequitur when challenged on saying that not every protestor was a Nazi.

I'm saying its dumb to make assumptions about the motivations of thousands of different individuals who were there when only a minority of people on both sides were engaged in bad behavior. Anyone who wasn't armed was there to protest peacefully, no? The only ones engaging in politically-motivated violence were the armed Neo-Nazis and ANTIFA / BLM.

I joined a forum. Not a debate club. Maybe stop engaging me all the time if I'm not up to your adult standards.

I'm going to put my opinions out there and you will not change my mind so don't bother anymore. We disagree on a lot of stuff. So what. Stop trying, ok?

That's fine, but this is a discussion forum so maybe you came to the wrong place. Might I recommend Facebook? You can keep your thoughts all in one place and delete everything anyone else tries to post on your page.

I won't stop but the same ends can be accomplished if you practice what you're preaching here.

Seriously Chula, just start a journal. I promise I'll keep Frown away.

Nope, I already said I'm going melee style. More satisfaction out of it.


lol

They knew what that of rally they were going to and they were ready to engage in violence being armed or not.

See, this is classic. You have great debates with folks that fit within your acceptable radius of ideology, where you all are just debating the subtleties of an issue.

I, on the other hand are an outlier in your mind. My views and ideologies are so far removed from yours that you constantly resort to sarcasm, condescension, and veiled insults in your retorts.

You've made it clear hundreds of times that you feel morally superior to me. Intellectually superior to me. You deal from nuanced internet and school research and I just resort to my gut. You are high brow so I must be low. I'm old and out of touch and you are the hipster.

So what's the point for me? The Facebook retort above is classic you. A veiled insult from a smug person with lots of textbook and internet learnings but very little, in comparison, real world experience.

And you might want to learn the difference between debate and discussion.

I'll patiently await your next "classic you" response. Better yet, don't bother. In your mind you've already won every debate, even before you enter it.

lol

I insert humour into my conversations with everyone. Cry me a river, princess.

Not the point dumbass. I enjoy your humor. Never had a problem with it. But you're avoiding my point.

(Frownland responds with "what is your point"?)

And on, and on, and on.

Anyhoo, speaking of dumbasses:

LePage: Tearing down Confederate statues equivalent to taking down 9/11 memorials - CNNPolitics

You don't like my humour because it's too

Also I don't disagree with the central philosophy of a lot of your posts. I disagree with the sloppy reasoning you often use to back those opinions up. Wouldn't you want to distance yourself from an unnuanced manifestation of your own point?

Yes, precisely like how the show Frasier confuses upper class culture with intelligence.

Chris just got a-Niles-ilated.

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