Your new avatar doesn't match you. I keep thing it is a mord post until I look at the user name.

Also screw you. We deserve discounts and its not lile there are even a lot of places that even offer. Unless you are in a city with a military base like Frown mentioned. Of course they should get discounts for all the business they get from the military in that area.

Kind of reminds me of that Clark ******* that is a Republican who wears all kinds of badges on his uniform that ends up making him look like a clown in a costume. It is wrong and ****ed up for people to be doing that in my opinion. Risk your life first before you go around impersonating someone in the military.

Mind blown.

Military vets get treated like absolute **** by our current economic system once they retire from the service of "WORKING TO PROTECT YOUR ASS" based on the orders they receive. Mostly young, and naive kids who have nowhere else to turn and then get completely used and manipulated by our government and then get thrown to the curb when they get home.

Do you know what percentage of homeless people are folks who once stood on battle lines trying to protect your countries' interests based on what they were instructed by the goverment, while you were sitting home sucking your thumb?

My 86 year old dad is elderly. He busted his ass working for over 50 years. He served during the Korean War in the Air Force and almost didn't make it home from one flight. He and the crew had to jettison every piece of gear and equipment to reduce the weight of the plane to maximize the fuel so they could get back to the base.

He's currently in a nursing home and I've been unable to have a coherent conversaton with him over the phone (we're 3,000 miles apart), because of his dementia, in about 3 years. The dude contributed into the system for decades. He paid his taxes. He did his part to make the system work without bitching.

Maybe re-think your attitude about how this stuff works. Totally let down by you DMV. I held you in higher regard until that post.

Considering I don't support most of our wars, and don't see how most of them were fought to PROTECT us, I can't really appreciate where you are coming from. And as previously mentioned, I don't care what you think of me this thread is about discussing topics not personalities or how we view one another. If you don't agree with my opinion than feel free to explain why, not attack my character.. It's big boy time, and that goes for DJ too with the "Screw you" comment. If you can't discuss the topics without making it personal than see your way out, as I've already stated. I don't need your validation or even want it, it serves no purpose in my attempts to remain objective about topics.

Now on topic, the same system that fails them fails 1000s of other people, I don't see why they deserve special treatment over all the others suffering under a poor system just because our ****ty government forced them into wars.

FYI, my grandfather was captured in Japan during WWII (and lived to tell the story), and my other grandfather was a Marine. I also have other military vets in my family.. Not that it matters in the slightest, but since you like to use these kinds of things as justification I figured I'd put it out there..

Anyway...

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I for one do not and will never support the military worship of this country and hate the idea of ANYBODY demanding respect or their asses kissed. But I do not mind veterans getting a discount. These people risked a lot and even lost whole limbs to protect this country. And yeah, in reality they weren't protecting our freedoms or what ever corny bull****, but they did it truly believing they needed to. Like, the many people our government ****s, I think veterans are getting it the worst. Tricked to fight meaningless wars to make greedy people rich then spat back out to rot in the streets after losing a limb with a heavy case of PTSD. Most of them do end up going homeless. And if they want to pay less for a hamburger that's fine by me.

Edit: Maybe they don't get it the worst, especially when considering the native Americans.

Yeah, I don't get this really. Most (all?) military personnel volunteer to serve. They do put their lives on the line - whether you agree with the policy under which they go to war or not is kind of irrelevant - and whether you like it or not, they protect your freedom. I think the least they should expect is a little bit of payback from the system they fought to defend. As for older people? Well, most of them may not have the kind of money you did/do/will, and will find it hard to get by, so I see no problem in their being helped out by a society which has, by this point, pretty much passed them by and discarded them.

Really DWV, that was nowhere near a real insult. It was said in jest and you know it. I guess it is okay to take things for granted when you feel like certain events hasnt directly affected your life.

That is the main reason they should get special treatment. Also most vets don't even get special treatment, they barely get by when they return home for wars and end up getting hated and mis treated by people with your mentality. Talk to all the Vietnam vets that came home and ended up homeless with hippies spitting on them just because they don't agree with the war that they were hauled off to.

Except that myth about mostly poor people joining the military isn't true.

Also most of the bloated military budget doesn't even go towards where it should. Buying decent equipment for those in those government jobs. Most of that money gets used on hiring private contractors.

I always thought that the whole perteckin our freedom stuff was a bunch of propaganda that hasnt been applicable for over 75 years. There hasn't been a real existential threat to our freedom in a long time (despite what those who profit off of fear mongering might tell you).

Plenty of people contribute to society in infinitely more positive ways than the military. Teachers, farmers, and weed dealers should get that discount alongside the military.

Wheres the fireman discount? Wheres the living below the poverty line discount?

I could see firemen being able to milk out some discounts, a lot of places give them to the police.

For all that people talk about teachers being paid more, I don't think the socially conservative wing of the country honestly gives a **** about actually paying for raises for people who teach science that contradicts their backwards ignorance.

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that no adults have posted in this thread yet.

Nor have they still.

Adults are out doing their jobs or painting the kitchen.

At least we all agree.

Just to clarify, your position is: I feel differently about certain societal norms, therefore I take the events which helped mold those norms for granted? Have you ever considered that I don't take them for granted and just came to a different conclusion about what the appropriate response should be?

What is my mentality exactly? I'd never mistreat them, but my reason for doing so is not because they are vets. I wouldn't mistreat them because they are human beings. I wouldn't be a dick to Hitler either. I don't believe in treating people poorly. Those that I don't like I won't go out of my way to help or interact with, but I'd never treat anyone differently from the expectations I hold myself accountable to when interacting with society. (That's a lie actually, sometimes I'm a dick online when playing video games, but it's mostly caused by people playing team games and then refusing to work cooperatively or intentionally throwing games in competitive modes/piss poor selfish attitudes. I do try to keep myself calm and collected, but sometimes I just hate people on the internet.)

Teaching grades 1-3 demands real skill. Grades 4-10 is just glorified baby sitting that doesn't demand much of a skill set. It's mostly just a willingness to accept abuse. 11-12 grade only takes real skill if you're teaching AP classes. Now that discussion has replaced the genuine lecture model the only real teachers in college teach hard sciences. Lit, history, psychology, business, political science- it's all garbage at this point. Those professors are frauds.

Lectures are pretty archaic and ineffective though. Discussion and collaborative efforts actually helps people learn.

Hear that, elph? Your money is already halfway down the shit pipe by now.

Hear*

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Here deez nuts.

You learned that from professors who can't lecture.

I learned it in a lecture...

Nobody strictly lectures anymore because it is ineffective. Discussion and activities that involve the students alongside lecture is the best approach and the one that is most common. Even in hard sciences if you can believe that. It should be pretty obvious that people will remember things that they were actively involved in.

I've had some really great lecture classes (world religions and business ethics), and some really terrible discussion classes (persuasive writing), and vice versa.

For discussion classes the quality is heavily determined by the teachers capability of moderating students, not stunting free speech, and remaining objective.

In lecture classes, I found the best ones when the professors were concise, unbiased, and found ways to make boring topics interesting/relatable. Also, when they allowed time for questions and short discussions to be handled throughout the lecture, it often helped reinforce the take away points of the presentation.

Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.

Still deeply offended towards the attitudes that the ex-military and elderly shouldn't be assisted.

Firemen and policemen have it pretty good once they retire. (my nephew, and brother in law are firemen and one of my best friends is a cop). The pension plans for those jobs in most cases are pretty damn sweet compared to the VAST majority of most folks. And you can retire a lot earlier and still get full benefits.

Never, ever once attended a lecture. Maybe that's why my input is so obtuse?

And you can get a free or damn near free education in the military or you can make the military your career.

Or you could have been jammed or suckered into it and just want to get out and have a real life.

Only about 15% of folks who sign up end up being career military.

Nobody's talking about pensions. They're talking about senior citizen drinks at Burger King, which is kind of pointless and doesn't particularly help anyone. I'm all for Medicaid and Social Security and more services for ex-military, but a discount for a movie is basically just a supposed reward from a company that doesn't even care.

A reward should be for someone worth rewarding, and while plenty of the elderly and the military are perfectly non-****ty people as far as people go, you never know which one's a sex offender, murderer, neo-Nazi, or dog fighter. The government owes the military for being their service, and the elderly for paying so much into the system, but a discount from a business should go to people who aren't scum.

Lectures are derived from before books were mass produced, where professors would dictate books for the class to copy. These days they can assign a reading and stick to more constructive approaches for class and cut the fat. If students aren't learning from a competent reading source and need it to be said out loud for them to understand it, they're either stupid or lazy.

I hate America's tender hearted obsession with babying military veterans. I never asked anyone to get involved in this bull****. Why would I feel grateful to people who do **** I'm against?

And what about the elderly who are still healthy and functional? I think elderly who cannot work should just be under disability, since it is essentially the same thing. That would also iron out the difficulty of keeping that social program in line with societal changes in health improvements. What if the average lifespan became 110? It would be difficult to continue starting financial assistance for the elderly at 65.

That's a good rebuttal.

I don't know about grateful, but I have respect for someone who willingly walked into a firefight for something they believed in, even if I don't respect the cause itself.

This just in: Batlord respects ISIS.

It's not a hardline rule. I'm sure plenty of pedophiles hit the beaches on D-Day, and I can respect the courage at least some of them showed, but it's kind of counteracted by the ****ing of children.

You can have admiration/respect of someones traits/accomplishments without respecting them as a person.

I don't think you understood my first statement. What alternatives do you think should have been taking for all the wars and conflicts thar have happened throughout history besides just not engaging in a conflict to begin with?


People with your mentality tend to act rudely towards those that do ask for military discounts. You might not do yourself but when they think service members don't deserve a discount they usually create a scene about it.

The retirement age has already shifted slightly so I am sure if the average lifespan becomes 110. It will be shifted even more.

If you are lumping the two together then fine but there is a large number of middle class that end up enlisting.