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Trump made a good point about the founding fathers, at least in regards to the far left's repeated attempts to rewrite history for the past few administrations. None of them were perfect people (and shouldn't be revered). Doesn't mean people should be wrecking Jefferson statues just because Antifa despise him for owning slaves.

But then he went off on a tangent about race relations and jobs or something and everything went off the rails at that point. Calling out both sides for their respective shortcomings was kind of refreshing, but it was a missed opportunity in most respects.

You're right that we shouldn't be taking down statues because Antifa doesn't like them, we should be taking them down because idolatry is a sin.

My sister sent this to me yesterday. Couldn't get past the 8 minute mark. Absolutely sinister.

Put the following on my Facebook, one of the very few times I dabble in political comments on the platform:

I am not a fan of violence. Violent acts surrender the moral high ground in any debate. Aggression is a sign of the weakness of one's political argument and incites both public sympathy for one's opponent and public opprobrium for one's own cause. Violence during protest marches and demonstrations serves no positive purpose.

Of course, the lone exception to this IS WHEN YOU'RE FIGHTING ****ING NAZIS. Karl Popper, Austrian philosopher and all-around badass, wrote about the paradox of tolerance. His summation is better than any I could write. "The paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Nazism, and to a lesser extent, fascism, is the ultimate expression of intolerance. Nazis, including many at the Charlottesville rally on Saturday advocate for genocide, slavery, segregation, rescinding civil rights legislation, rescinding the 19th amendment, and a litany of other morally outrageous positions. The canard that this "protest march" was to preserve Virginian history must be outed for the fallacious platform of sinister sophistry that it is. These people long for a time when they were the law and the law was them. Our society cannot tolerate such toxic discourse.

I'm always happy to chat about Affirmative Action, biological and cultural sex/gender distinctions, the efficacy of various forms of government, and a host of other compelling and divisive issues. I will brook no discussion on the moral merits of slavery or the Holocaust. **** Nazis. **** Nazi sympathizers.

I'm certainly game to dive into the topic but a huge reason that the ire is not target a the Founding Fathers is that slavery was a fully legal institution during their time. Doesn't remove the stain on their legacy, but it's ahistorical to hold past figures to the same moral standards we have today.

The leaders of the Confederacy on the other hand, waged war against their lawfully elected representatives, murdered their fellow Americans in a war of choice, and actively battled to preserve human bondage.

Jefferson, Washington, et. al. were complex men with flaws, but they're on the right side of history, with regard to civic values. Davis, Lee, et. al. are not only on the wrong side of history, but they fought to preserve a system that the majority of the country had determined was a moral abomination.

That's the key difference between target Confederate slaveholders and Revolutionary-era slaveholders and the left's greater disdain for the former.

I think 20-30 years from now we'll have monument 'asterisks' making all parts of their history, and good and bad, upfront.

Political violence will always make you a piece of ****, no matter how well meaning your intentions are. Not only is it irrational, but it is wholly counterintuitive because it aids the propaganda of the other side to serve their victim narrative. If not that, you make your side look bad with that ****. That being said, I do agree that it needs to be stopped and not enough is being done to curb it.

Also (admittedly getting a little conspiratorial here), if protests continue to become breeding grounds for violence, I think the government is going to put a hamper on out right to protest. Is violence against POS Nazis mad satisfying? **** ja it is. Does it help the situation? I highly doubt it.

his body language makes me sad :shycouch: and i was already fawking sad damnit


i actually was just thinking of this before i came to this thread. i been thinking of it all day. ****ing sucks at we dont have his or Mattis's leadership for America, instead we have donald trump

The 8th CEO quits one of Trumps councels this morning. Trumps response? He disbands the councels.

Boy finds out his girlfriend is about to break up with him so he quickly calls her and breaks up with her first. :rofl:

At first he was talking all that trash about them being replaceable now all of a sudden he just dismantles it.

Yes, mind-bending video that can be difficult to get thru. It's hard for me to tell someone to stay with it,
but the interview at the very end is soooooo fucked up. I tell people that I don't need stuff from
Steven King, Jonathan Maberry, Ramsey Campbell, etc.; all I need is my quarterly
Intelligence Report to read the horrific...and now we have a part of it in video form.

Treacherous cocksplurt fudge-stained douchewaffles with four-cheese medley for brains:

http://tinyimg.io/i/SYqBa84.jpg

I dislike National Socialists as much as the next guy, but they had a permit. The other Socialists didn't.

This.

Look, a Trump parrot!

https://indivisiblecfl.org/wp-conten...Mar-a-Lago.jpg


The WHITE SUPREMASISTS and NEO-NAZIS got a permit based on the premise they were going to peacefully protest a statue being taken down. Not that they were going to march en-masse "carrying torches" and angrily shouting things like "the jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" - all three symbols of Nazi era Germany.

And people protesting against racism, hatred, and bigotry don't need permits.

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source


So they were juggling them?

I never knew that carrying torches or chanting are considered violent. You learn something new every day.

They kind of do, but you do not necessarily need a permit to counter protest because the space isn't cleared for one ideology or another. Not that permits matter at all in this situation of course.

inciting violence > violent

Doesn't happen at the Olympics! :laughing:
I guess it all depends on what you intend to do, or symbolise doing, with them.

Sure, Chula, sure. Now go to sleep. *pats head and tucks in to bed*

The Polish judge gives him a 6.3 *crowd gasps*.

Inspiring logic as per.

Hillary would have been better, safer. Better human.


she won too, the vote atleast. i feel like it was rigged for him to win and get the first four years just to make him and his admin look like fools for 4 years and then make Hillary come back in the spotlight and be Americas savior https://boxden.com/smilies/iUFxu44.png

Nah I'm pretty certain she and the DNC got the message. They're in for a repeat loss if they go with Kamala Harris like they seem to be considering.

But she is the ONLY person who can beat Trump!

trump is just another marketing ploy for the media to have something to report, everyone loves to laugh so they make fun of him https://img192.imageshack.us/img192/...er207filen.png


its greathttps://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9240/exaipfg.png

Bernie is like 100 million years old. Hillary is a spry 99 million. Stop listening to the heads at Fox news elph she really isn't that bad.

It's a belief on how the system should be run. You don't start breaking laws because you disagree with their morality. That's just plain stupidity. And I agree with the idea of permits so it doesn't even make sense, I just don't like the government all that much.

"Someone who trades safety for liberty deserves neither."

Obeying the law is playing it safe in case you were wondering.

You need a form for FREEDOM? Sounds like some fascist business to me.

Trump has handled himself quite well in regards to the retardfest this week by the way.

I'm not too worked up about his actions as stated earlier, but you are straight up delusional if you believe that.

i think trump is a national disgrace :ar_15s: and there should be nothing but talk of getting him out of office as fast as possible for the best of the countryhttps://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5581/fbj4fbjpg.png

What gave you the idea I wasn't for a progressive platform???

The way you chose a markedly conservative candidate over a genuinely progressive one.

I voted for a woman!

*sigh*

Yet you would have voted for Bernie? Inconsistent.

What exactly has he done wrong. Rightly condemned both groups initially. Pandered to those who wanted him to condemn the group they disliked more later on.

Think about it.

You think he should have left it at "lots of violence on many sides"? Not good politically imo. He needs to give his opposition something occasionally, even if it's pandering.

I thought Trump was the solution to empty political pandering? Or has vitriolic backlash become a sign of a successful political move? Bro I guarantee you've got some motivated reasoning behind that belief.

Anyway, I think he should have been the lever puller in a mass hanging of every white supremacist in America.

He condemned both socialist organisations and I'm quite happy with that.