Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the question you asked was if he got robbed

I said ya, clearly

nah you've been dodging

Feel free to start anew though I'm always willing to forgive.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

They should split it

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They should split it

even if there are other people willing to do the paint job for you 3k, they should split it just to be nice? What world do you live in lol

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

I'd say whoever bought the house got robbed.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're right and getting it!

they do have to pay less than the Value Added or there's no point

you can never get paid what your labor is actually worth in capitalism

don't condescend me, we've been arguing in the context of capitalism this entire time

Tell me what your alternative system is
In detail. Don't bitch out.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's a weird question to ask if they should be charitable vs. was the transaction fair

(which is what you asked originally)

try to keep up. He said they should split it which I was responding to.

mr dave · 07-31-2019, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think if it were somehow possible for the painter to determine that his painting made the home owner 13k more than he got compensated he'd be a bit miffed

Only if it's their very first foray into the working world. And ultimately the issue is on them for undervaluing their work.

Flip it around. If the house sells prior to a paint job. Do you really think the painter can charge $15k to add a fresh coat to the walls? The potential value of the house increases by the same amount but it's no longer going to be sold.

So do they price themselves out of work out of some misguided sense of entitlement to $15k? Or do they take the $2000?

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

even if there are other people willing to do the paint job for you 3k, they should split it just to be nice? What world do you live in lol

It'd be reasonable.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you just asked me what he should do

thanks

which you never effectively answered cause you lack confidence

What is the alternative system by which you think people would be paid what they are owed?

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

What is the alternative system by which you think people would be paid what they are owed?

An agreed upon price for the services rendered at first, then once expenses are cleared (including costs for future planning and such depending on the business model), distribute the profits as a bonus.