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riseagainstrocks 08-16-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1864947)
Trump made a good point about the founding fathers, at least in regards to the far left's repeated attempts to rewrite history for the past few administrations. None of them were perfect people (and shouldn't be revered). Doesn't mean people should be wrecking Jefferson statues just because Antifa despise him for owning slaves.

I'm certainly game to dive into the topic but a huge reason that the ire is not target a the Founding Fathers is that slavery was a fully legal institution during their time. Doesn't remove the stain on their legacy, but it's ahistorical to hold past figures to the same moral standards we have today.

The leaders of the Confederacy on the other hand, waged war against their lawfully elected representatives, murdered their fellow Americans in a war of choice, and actively battled to preserve human bondage.

Jefferson, Washington, et. al. were complex men with flaws, but they're on the right side of history, with regard to civic values. Davis, Lee, et. al. are not only on the wrong side of history, but they fought to preserve a system that the majority of the country had determined was a moral abomination.

That's the key difference between target Confederate slaveholders and Revolutionary-era slaveholders and the left's greater disdain for the former.

I think 20-30 years from now we'll have monument 'asterisks' making all parts of their history, and good and bad, upfront.

Frownland 08-16-2017 10:05 AM

Political violence will always make you a piece of ****, no matter how well meaning your intentions are. Not only is it irrational, but it is wholly counterintuitive because it aids the propaganda of the other side to serve their victim narrative. If not that, you make your side look bad with that ****. That being said, I do agree that it needs to be stopped and not enough is being done to curb it.

Also (admittedly getting a little conspiratorial here), if protests continue to become breeding grounds for violence, I think the government is going to put a hamper on out right to protest. Is violence against POS Nazis mad satisfying? **** ja it is. Does it help the situation? I highly doubt it.

Mindfulness 08-16-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1864850)
John Kelly during the press conference. Any body language experts here? :rofl:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/i...ays-it-all.jpg

his body language makes me sad :shycouch: and i was already fawking sad damnit


i actually was just thinking of this before i came to this thread. i been thinking of it all day. ****ing sucks at we dont have his or Mattis's leadership for America, instead we have donald trump

Chula Vista 08-16-2017 11:27 AM

The 8th CEO quits one of Trumps councels this morning. Trumps response? He disbands the councels.

Boy finds out his girlfriend is about to break up with him so he quickly calls her and breaks up with her first. :rofl:

djchameleon 08-16-2017 11:32 AM

At first he was talking all that trash about them being replaceable now all of a sudden he just dismantles it.

rostasi 08-16-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1865055)
My sister sent this to me yesterday. Couldn't get past the 8 minute mark. Absolutely sinister.

Yes, mind-bending video that can be difficult to get thru. It's hard for me to tell someone to stay with it,
but the interview at the very end is soooooo fucked up. I tell people that I don't need stuff from
Steven King, Jonathan Maberry, Ramsey Campbell, etc.; all I need is my quarterly
Intelligence Report to read the horrific...and now we have a part of it in video form.

Treacherous cocksplurt fudge-stained douchewaffles with four-cheese medley for brains:

http://tinyimg.io/i/SYqBa84.jpg

elphenor 08-16-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1865055)
My sister sent this to me yesterday. Couldn't get past the 8 minute mark. Absolutely sinister.

Put the following on my Facebook, one of the very few times I dabble in political comments on the platform:

I am not a fan of violence. Violent acts surrender the moral high ground in any debate. Aggression is a sign of the weakness of one's political argument and incites both public sympathy for one's opponent and public opprobrium for one's own cause. Violence during protest marches and demonstrations serves no positive purpose.

Of course, the lone exception to this IS WHEN YOU'RE FIGHTING ****ING NAZIS. Karl Popper, Austrian philosopher and all-around badass, wrote about the paradox of tolerance. His summation is better than any I could write. "The paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Nazism, and to a lesser extent, fascism, is the ultimate expression of intolerance. Nazis, including many at the Charlottesville rally on Saturday advocate for genocide, slavery, segregation, rescinding civil rights legislation, rescinding the 19th amendment, and a litany of other morally outrageous positions. The canard that this "protest march" was to preserve Virginian history must be outed for the fallacious platform of sinister sophistry that it is. These people long for a time when they were the law and the law was them. Our society cannot tolerate such toxic discourse.

I'm always happy to chat about Affirmative Action, biological and cultural sex/gender distinctions, the efficacy of various forms of government, and a host of other compelling and divisive issues. I will brook no discussion on the moral merits of slavery or the Holocaust. **** Nazis. **** Nazi sympathizers.

Fantastic post tbh

Basically it's nonesense to tolerate intolerance

Goofle 08-16-2017 01:31 PM

I dislike National Socialists as much as the next guy, but they had a permit. The other Socialists didn't.

elphenor 08-16-2017 01:36 PM

So it's cool to run them over

Cuthbert 08-16-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865061)
Political violence will always make you a piece of ****

This.


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