Chula Vista

I'm speaking in general to those (looking at you Goofle) who spout stuff like "I hate both sides".

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Frownland

Ineffectively.

Let's review

So what I mean here by using the qualifier of playing a role in the violence is that the opposition was not entirely made up of people prepared for violence, but the ones that were were members of Antifa. They are a gift to the right with their counterintuitive violent methods and the way that liberals view the political violence with a wink and a nod drives people away from identifying with that group. I would think you would find that as concerning as I do.

The sides are not equally responsible for the violence and did not participate in equal numbers, but that doesn't mean that one side is all evil bad guys and the other is all innocent and fair heroes. Political violence will always be abhorrent and if you think otherwise then your opinion is fueled by partisan irrationality. That is an inarguable fact.

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Frownland

(Not that I agree with calling dangerous language violence but) wouldn't responding to that with violence be succumbing to their level?

Ftr, I have no idea how to resolve the rise in this political ideology, but I don't think that violence is the right answer. Years ago, I might have said that sunshine is the best disinfectant, but I feel like the current state of the digital age has turned that concept into a thing of the past.

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Chula Vista

I don't think otherwise. Again, just countering broad brush statements about "the other side". I've watched a hell of a lot of the video coverage of the events and seen a lot of interviews of people from that side, and while there were definitely small pockets of folks who looked like they came looking for a fight, the overwhelming majority looked liked just regular folks.

When the worst part of the fighting broke out a lot of those folks got caught up in it. Heck, at one point an older guy with grey hair and a button down dress shirt gets pushed into the fray and ends up on the ground.

No way anyone can justify saying "both sides were equally wrong". ****ing Hannity starts his broadcast Tuesday night with "President Trump finally sets the record straight on Charlottesville".

Would it be considered political violence if I ever saw him on the street and walked up to him and broke his nose????

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

Yes. And the ones who came for violence are called Antifa. This is what I've been trying to convey to you ever since you asked "what do you call the other side?".

Cool. I've not said that though.

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grindy

About 12 years ago there was a Nazi demo with around 200 Nazis here and there was a counter demo with about 3000 participants. The cops tried to separate them and us counter-protesters, but me, my then-girlfriend and 2-3 other friends managed to go around the cops and witnessed a scene where a dozen or so Nazis were encircled by counter-protesters and ****ing savagely kicked and beaten with everything they could grab (stones, planks, some discarded boxes).
Now I can't say I'm particularly sad when a Nazi gets a bit beat up, but the savagery of mob mentality is pretty damn disgusting and scary.
Not taking sides here or anything, just a story I remembered

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Goofle

I do hate both sides, and equally. One side wants to control race, the other to control ideas. And are willing to beat up and kill each other to reach their goals. I don't care if an individual is sympathetic to some of the political ideas held by Antifa types - let's say communism/socialism for example - you go ahead and agree with them on that issue. That's not the point. These people want you to think their way or else. You're a racist, sexist, Islamophobe, Nazi, booger picker if you don't think like them. And it's okay to shut down your events and punch you.

Obviously not everyone on either side wants to perpetrate violence, or has the fullest convictions in their beliefs - but fuck the ones who do.

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djchameleon

Violence is the only answer for Nazis. This isn't just a simple disagreement over positions/ideas. They want me dead because they feel like their white male privilege and identity is under attack. Also **** the white women that are on their side but being ignored by the masses. They were over there screaming blood and soil as well. This is more than just combating thoughts. I want to hit up the Florida rally or maybe the one in Toronto soon. **** the hippie bull**** about non violence. If someone is in your face with a gun threatening to shoot you just for existing good luck talking them out of it because you are on your non violence BS.

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Frownland

Very very very very very very very very very to the 100000th power dangerous precedent you set with that philosophy.

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Cuthbert

No doubt convincing themselves they are the 'good guys' and 'doing it for the right reasons', really they are yobs who want an excuse to hand out beatings.

Is violence the answer for the women too?