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Frownland 08-06-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by debaserr (Post 2070629)
If you don't think those tactics are being used to **** you and the planet then I don't know what to say.

Ja that's definitely true but what's that got to with dicksucking applications of cleaning products?

OccultHawk 08-06-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2070630)
If the police are offering to suck my dick with a mother****ing vacuum then I'm down.

#Hawk2020

debaserr 08-06-2019 04:23 PM

Fascists, neocons, neoliberals, corporations, their mouthpieces(media) the usage of pig was a bit loose sorry.

The Batlord 08-06-2019 04:26 PM

If Trump holds the vacuum while I nut then I know who I'm voting for.

debaserr 08-06-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2070633)
looks like they're trying to sell you some stupid cards

Yea, I just did a search and posted the first result. It's a conspiracy with google.

Here is a simpler presentation.

https://i.imgur.com/30HPR9p.jpg

The Batlord 08-06-2019 04:34 PM

I think looking at how humans have treated each other for millennia is enough evidence for the robots as to why they should kill us. Clearly we are not to be trusted.

debaserr 08-06-2019 04:37 PM

Hopefully they would have introductory training.

OccultHawk 08-06-2019 04:45 PM

Bringing up logical fallacies should be a logical fallacy.

Appeal to authority, maybe

debaserr 08-06-2019 04:51 PM

burh

The Batlord 08-06-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2070646)
Bringing up logical fallacies should be a logical fallacy.

Appeal to authority, maybe

You just say that cause everything you say is ten kinds of logical fallacy and you know it.

OccultHawk 08-06-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2070650)
You just say that cause everything you say is ten kinds of logical fallacy and you know it.

That’s a logical fallacy fallacy.

jwb 08-06-2019 06:48 PM

@ debaser your article mostly talks about how people have feared technology taking their jobs in the past, where as the overall number of jobs has grown.

This is true but also misleading. As the manufacturing sector has been decimated in the United States, it has mostly been replaced by service and/or retail jobs that pay a fair amount less. The middle class is shrinking cause decent, blue collar jobs that earn a decent living are disappearing.

On top of this, automation is starting to branch out into virtually every sector of low skilled work. Even retail and service jobs are going to start to take a hit. Also truck driving jobs, one of the last decent blue collar jobs, is slated to be automated in the coming decades.

The Batlord 08-06-2019 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2070673)
@ debaser your article mostly talks about how people have feared technology taking their jobs in the past, where as the overall number of jobs has grown.

This is true but also misleading. As the manufacturing sector has been decimated in the United States, it has mostly been replaced by service and/or retail jobs that pay a fair amount less. The middle class is shrinking cause decent, blue collar jobs that earn a decent living are disappearing.

On top of this, automation is starting to branch out into virtually every sector of low skilled work. Even retail and service jobs are going to start to take a hit. Also truck driving jobs, one of the last decent blue collar jobs, is slated to be automated in the coming decades.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xxzZwzTEyyeD6/giphy.gif

Frownland 08-06-2019 08:25 PM

We need to invent the time machine so that we can just skip forward to when we're at WALL-E status.

debaserr 08-06-2019 11:02 PM

Not looking good for that. More likely to flame out and go the way of Venus.

jwb 08-07-2019 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2070686)
there's almost no reason why my job and my cashier's jobs shouldn't already be automated

It takes an initial investment, but eventually they will be.

I mean you will still need some cashiers etc. Even self check out requires a cashier. But one cashier can handle like 10 self check out registers. So you would need fewer of them. Not to mention that online shopping is also putting an increasingly sizable dent in the retail market.

I've worked a lot of manufacturing and wharehouse jobs and have seen it first hand. The various stages of automation. Some places are behind others in terms of their automation, just based on how old their equipment is.

One boss even told me straight up, when being asked about why they don't replace the equipment on the line which was frequently malfunctioning, that when ever they did get around to updating it, half the people working there would be rendered redundant.

The Batlord 08-07-2019 09:08 AM

I just wanna live in Judge Dredd's world where everyone lives in skyscraper slums, nobody has a job, everybody gets welfare, illiteracy is almost total, and I even get some ****ing Nazis to grumble about.

jwb 08-07-2019 09:54 AM

Some people who retire or just go on welfare end up depressed because they no longer have any sense of purpose or drive. People like to feel useful. If we end up in a post-job world a lot of people will have to find new productive ways to occupy their time. Young men in particular tend to turn to destructive habits when they don't have anything better to do.

The Batlord 08-07-2019 09:57 AM

Joining a roving gang of empty youths sounds better than this.

Frownland 08-07-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2070746)
Some people who retire or just go on welfare end up depressed because they no longer have any sense of purpose or drive. People like to feel useful. If we end up in a post-job world a lot of people will have to find new productive ways to occupy their time. Young men in particular tend to turn to destructive habits when they don't have anything better to do.

Ja, recovering from enslavement can be tough for some people who don't know how to occupy their time.

jwb 08-07-2019 10:38 AM

I'm just saying I don't exactly fantasize about sitting around on welfare. I know exactly the kind of **** I would get up to.

Frownland 08-07-2019 10:55 AM

I wouldn't just sit around either.

jwb 08-07-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2070768)
I wouldn't just sit around either.

What would you do?

Frownland 08-07-2019 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2070772)
What would you do?

Take my music very seriously, chill and travel with friends, smoke, write a novel, meet people, fish, garden, camp, cook, drink, learn all the time, dick around on MB, hack away at my huge list of movies I want to watch/music I want to listen to, read, make instruments...



What you describe is what happens when you don't have goals or structure in your life. A job is a good almost hands free way of getting that since someone else is more or less in charge of that structure, but it's not the only way to get that fulfillment.

jwb 08-07-2019 12:27 PM

I agree. Some of what you listed are examples of the sort of productive ways to occupy your time that I was talking about. Others are more like the sort of self indulgent, hedonistic impulses that I have trouble with when I don't stay occupied.

Frownland 08-07-2019 12:51 PM

Ja, hedonism only really works if you remember to eat your vegetables too.

Nebulous Passion 08-07-2019 09:31 PM

This is pretty strange.


jwb 08-08-2019 10:12 AM

Not strange at all. Very predictable. Joe has been getting crap from lefties for a while for not having enough of them on. He's giving in.

I even saw people on YouTube saying "maybe Joe is starting to see the light" when he had Cornel West on. What they don't understand is he's not a partisan, he's a soft ball interviewer. He'll throw the same soft balls to Ben Shapiro that he will to Bernie Sanders. But he manages to make interesting conversations out of it more often than not.

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 10:31 AM

Yeah

He’s like the an upgraded Larry King.

Nebulous Passion 08-08-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2070930)
Not strange at all. Very predictable. Joe has been getting crap from lefties for a while for not having enough of them on. He's giving in.

I even saw people on YouTube saying "maybe Joe is starting to see the light" when he had Cornel West on. What they don't understand is he's not a partisan, he's a soft ball interviewer. He'll throw the same soft balls to Ben Shapiro that he will to Bernie Sanders. But he manages to make interesting conversations out of it more often than not.

I thought it was strange to see Sanders on a millennials podcast. Somewhat like if you saw FDR on TV.

Some of the people he's had on, like, Steven Crowder, you can't just throw soft balls at without garnering some criticism. Their ideas are so far outside the realm of honest conversation.

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebulous Passion (Post 2070957)
I thought it was strange to see Sanders on a millennials podcast. Somewhat like if you saw FDR on TV.

Some of the people he's had on, like, Steven Crowder, you can't just throw soft balls at without garnering some criticism. Their ideas are so far outside the realm of honest conversation.

Not if you’re just extracting information and exploring how the other person thinks.

Frownland 08-08-2019 02:27 PM

Or if you want to see someone get their dick sucked.

Nebulous Passion 08-08-2019 02:29 PM

It's seen by parts of the left as legitimizing some of these far right ideologies to segments of his young impressionable male audience.
The Alt-Right Pipeline and all that. I think it's a fair critique at least.

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebulous Passion (Post 2070962)
It's seen by parts of the left as legitimizing some of these far right ideologies to segments of his young impressionable male audience.
The Alt-Right Pipeline and all that. I think it's a fair critique at least.

It is fair but I don’t think it’s his responsibility to do the critical thinking for his audience. Larry King had a friendly conversation with Manson. People got pissed off but that’s his style.

Frownland 08-08-2019 02:50 PM

Larry King is a lot more neutral though, Rogan's an overexcited hype man.

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2070972)
Larry King is a lot more neutral though, Rogan's an overexcited hype man.

I feel you.

Don’t you like everyone getting a voice though?

Frownland 08-08-2019 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2070973)
I feel you.

Don’t you like everyone getting a voice though?

Of course, but I don't like elevating pseudointellectuals like Rogan as that gatekeeper.

jwb 08-08-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebulous Passion (Post 2070962)
It's seen by parts of the left as legitimizing some of these far right ideologies to segments of his young impressionable male audience.
The Alt-Right Pipeline and all that. I think it's a fair critique at least.

the left is becoming borderline mccarthyist the way they categorize anyone who talks to anyone they disagree with as the enemy

Bunch of limp wristed ideological puritans

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2070981)
the left is becoming borderline mccarthyist the way they categorize anyone who talks to anyone they disagree with as the enemy

Bunch of limp wristed ideological puritans

Church

OccultHawk 08-08-2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2070976)
Of course, but I don't like elevating pseudointellectuals like Rogan as that gatekeeper.

Rogan is pretty smart.


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