Lucem Ferre

Imma be down with the frown until I'm dead in the ground.

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Lucem Ferre

The first white people to actually attend hip hop shows were gothic post punk college kids.

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The Batlord

The first horrorcore was made by black people and it wasn't any scarier than the white people horrorcore.

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Lucem Ferre

Nope.

Afrika Bambaataa was the first hip hop artist to venture out of the old New York neighborhoods where hip hop was born and he started playing in the venues where the alternative college kids would hang out because they gravitated towards the uniqueness of hip hop at the time. This is before rapping was a thing and hip hop was nothing but break beats. He said that it put him ahead of his time because he'd get records from artists like Joy Division and bring them back to the hood to find new breaks to sample.

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I don't have black employment stats on me at the moment, but I don't think rap music is a major contributor of jobs.

Hard work, investing wisely, dedication to getting educated?

If he/she gets his/her children into university in something like medicine, dentistry, engineering, or, say, passenger airline piloting, such children will likely get high paying jobs and likely make more money that the typical rapper—likely by a multiple.

You don't think doctors have connections, or for that matter investments?

Ownership is quite important, but ownership of what: a mic and some musical equipment and access to a studio; or a house, money, maybe stocks and bonds, et al. To some, a person who owns 1000 bitcoins owns nothing: they would likely be wrong.

Again you're presuming that +30 million American blacks are all not prosperous: some are quite prosperous; and I doubt less than 10% of, say, the 1000 richest blacks are involved in rap music. Indeed, I wonder if a majority of 1000 of the richest black musicians in America are involved in rap.

Little if anything is preventing them from owning stuff. Likely millions of houses in America are owned by blacks.

It's called free trade: both parties prosper

I mention cultural appropriation once in this page, and I essentially deny there is such a thing—but yeah, this music seems derivative.


The first sounds a bit like Cyprus Hill—at least in the beginning.










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Frownland

It's so cute when elphenor tries to speak with any authority on music.

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Elph bout to school us on hip hop.

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Wasn't Afrika Bambaataa more into Kraftwerk?

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He's also the self-appointed Sonic Youth expert.

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Lucem Ferre

It's funny that if you look at the richest black people in the world they all seem to own something. They're not doctors, hmmm. Most of them are not American either, hmmmm. Almost as if prosperity in black America isn't common.

You're arguing points I never made. I didn't say being a black rapper makes you an owner, I'm talking about record labels. There are tons of black owned record labels that generate revenue. Jay-Z is not just a rapper. He owns a very successful label. Kanye West, Drake, Tech N9ne, 50 Cent. Artists that own hip hop business. I didn't say hip hop on it's own is going to save black people from disparity but it's one of the only industries that is seemingly owned by black people which is important. No, I don't think a doctor has the same pull or sway or connections as Oprah ****ing Winfrey. Think about it, do you think Kim Kardashian could as easily build her business with out the connections her family had built? You think a doctor builds those same connections? **** out of here.

None of this even addresses the question of whether or not horrorcore labels, which are white owned and white employed, are taking hip hop industry away from black people or are they so far removed from hip hop culture that it makes no impact. Obviously you have very very little knowledge of hip hop at all so the question isn't for you.

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