Frownland

They took their black.

Doesn't get more adult than this folks.

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Lucem Ferre

So you think only artists that have influenced hip hop as a culture have taken hip hop business out of black ownership despite only naming black artists that don't really own much industry in hip hop.

It mostly seems you're back peddling out of the asinine statement that horrocore isn't significant enough to influence hip hop culture.

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Frownland

Damn, you caught me.

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Lucem Ferre

Do you actually have input or do you just think the topic is stupid?

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Frownland

One informs the other.

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DMBFFF

First time I heard of this "horrorcore."

You guys talking about cultural appropriation?

Lucem Ferre

Not really, but kind of like it.

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DMBFFF

Let's see if I follow.

There is that possibility that they might be part of the culture, at least from some of the upper roots.

Even if they took directly from black culture, it wouldn't be theft, but for their credibility they should be upfront about it.

Presumably surpression has affected blacks more, as well as discrimination in other employement. Music, while important, I don't think is a significant contributor to black wealth. Black doctors probably earn more than black musicians and rappers.

America is—what—a +$20 trillion?—economy. Even if blacks were only 12% the population and got half what non-blacks got, that's still be about $1.20 trillion. Your numbers add up to a little over 1% of 1% of that, and they are net worth, not annual product.



Btw, similar comments I posted in other threads.

Cultural appropriation
(starting on page 2)
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1207639&highlight=cultural+approp riation&page=2

Is this GBOA music video racist?
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1486647
a pic is in post #9

Lucem Ferre

It's not about taking black culture, it's about taking ownership away from an industry. The lack of black owned businesses creates a lack of opportunity. Being a rapper isn't the only job in the hip hop business. So the industry does create a lot of jobs for black people as well as give more wealth and opportunity to be passed down so black people have more chances to be doctors. Becoming a doctor doesn't create jobs, doesn't create a business to pass down, it only generates wealth. Which, I'm sure there are more rappers that spread their wealth around their community than there are doctors. Most people in these areas can't even afford to become doctors in the first place. The more black owned businesses there are the more it gets cycled through black communities and the more black people will prosper.

Take any horrorcore label and they are white owned businesses with predominately white artists and workers. They typically don't go out of their way to put money back into black communities. The question is if that is taking prosperity or ownership from black people or if horrorcore is so far removed from hip hop culture that it has no impact on the hip hop industry.

It's not about cultural appropriation. We're not talking about Post Malone here.

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DMBFFF

How does one own an industry than by owning means of production and sales? How does one take such ownership but by buying, or in the case of taking the market from competitors, by out-competing?

There was once a time when most blues was played by blacks. Then whites got involved and blacks dropped out. Such is the takeover, I suppose.

Save the opportunity to start a business, such as Motown.

A person gets sick. He/she can't work. A doctor treats him/her. He/she can now work. Doctors buy goods, houses, etc. They fund the education of their children. Their taxes and/or tuition pay for schools. Ditto the black lawyer, the black dentist, the black carpenter, the black electrician, the black mechanic, the black pilot, and the black trucker.

Depends what you mean by rapper. If you mean somebody who can make money off of it, the number of black doctors might be a multiple of professional rappers—black and white. If only 0.2% of American blacks were doctors, that'd be over 60 000 doctors.

In a way, most can't afford to be rappers insofar that they need money to survive.

Sounds like protectionism to me.

While Donald Trump has little faith in the free market, I have some. If 100 Americans work for an American or Japanese or German car company, it doesn't matter as long as they get their pay. If 100 blacks buy cheaper goods from non-blacks, they have more money leftover to invest or save.

If it's the latter, then the conversation is moot: one might as well ask if the klezmer music industry robs blacks. (it doesn't) If they compete with black producers, it is to the benefit to black consumers. It is better for a black person to have, say, a choice of Little Richard's Tutti Fruitti or Elvis's, than just the former—however little more in merit the latter is.


They sell to lots of whites and I don't think they play horrorcore or hip hop for that matter:








(One day I'm going to listen to ICP.)



Btw, what is this "Post Malone?"