Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 11-06-2020, 11:58 AM

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The case for a self-pardon being constitutionally allowed rests heavily on the principle that the Constitution does not forbid the practice, therefore it should be permissible. Much of the case law on the president’s pardon power upholds a broad clemency power and defers largely to the president’s judgment. The arguments against a self-pardon include the view that the clemency power should be checked by other provisions of the Constitution, and that serving as a judge in one’s own case is generally not recognized by American legal standards.

There’s also just plain ****ing common sense. It’s not specifically banned because it’s so goddamned ridiculous no one ever thought about it. The problem of using weird loopholes and the fundamental worship of the literal written word has taken us to very strange places. The “founding fathers” didn’t consider themselves gods and didn’t think they were writing a ****ing bible. They expected people to be able to use some ****ing horse-sense and throw out obvious absurdities.

This wild obsession with austere letter of the law thing is about to **** up the election. Can you get millions of votes without a few people voting out of district? No. But people voted out of district in Nevada. Letter of the law throw the election out. Did Pennsylvania allow a ballot that was postmarked the 2nd but arrived on the third to be counted? Illegal vote. Throw out the results. Election was rigged.

The Republicans are falling in line with Trump on tossing the democracy. I’ve been watching FOX. When the FAR far cult Catholic right controls the court and any ****ing absurdity that a narcissistic mind can come up with goes to the court. And we openly allow the president to break the law (obstruction - it’s a big crime - if you don’t believe me try flushing evidence in front of the police) but they refuse to arrest him. And even leftists on here say oh you can’t arrest him you have to impeach. No! You don’t have to impeach. He can be impeached but he can also be arrested by any cop in his district. The capitol police.

This system of checks and balances doesn’t work when the people are absurdist *******s.

Pardon yourself? Goddamn. It doesn’t even deserve consideration. It’s a ****ing laughingstock idea but oh yeah it’ll work in 2020 because there’s nothing too ridiculous for this freak show of a country.

OccultHawk · 11-06-2020, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Call me a shill, but I don't care. Him being in prison is some West Wing Fan Club liberal porn for anyone with an NPR tote bag.

I want him gone so the nation can be normal. That the factions of Bernie-Center-Lincoln had to unite against this clown is bad for Democracy.

Not to get way off-topic, but jail should be for people who commit violent crims against others. Everyone else can be dealt with sans incarceration.

I also think it’s probably for the best that he just go. But you don’t let him pardon himself because it’s ridiculous, sets a horrible precedent and allows every future president to be a de facto dictator. Oh did I just have a million illegals executed? Self-pardon time!

But the idea that he doesn’t deserve jail or that he’s non-violent is insane. Ice detention centers? Deported children without parents? Intentionally spreading covid? ****ing Idi Amin ****.

But Nixon murdered a million southeast Asians and they let that go...

Lucem Ferre · 11-06-2020, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I also think it’s probably for the best that he just go. But you don’t let him pardon himself because it’s ridiculous, sets a horrible precedent and allows every future president to be a de facto dictator. Oh did I just have a million illegals executed? Self-pardon time!

But the idea that he doesn’t deserve jail or that he’s non-violent is insane. Ice detention centers? Deported children without parents? Intentionally spreading covid? ****ing Idi Amin ****.

But Nixon murdered a million southeast Asians and they let that go...

Doubling Obama's drone strikes with in his first two years.

~~jwb~~ · 11-06-2020, 03:30 PM

He deserves jail but he's rich and powerful. What are you gonna get him on that his lawyers don't beat? You guys still believe in justice?

The ironic part is I could see Biden pardoning Trump in some half assed attempt at bipartisanship (maybe naively hoping the other side will extend the same olive branch) and then the Republicans impeaching Biden anyway over Huntergate or whatever. This was one of the many reasons in the primary people were saying Biden wasn't a good choice. But because it was in the democratic primaries that argument fell on deaf ears since the Hunter Biden accusations were assumed to be "conspiracy theory." We'll see how much that actually matters, going forward.

Get ready to keep getting cucked, Democrats. You are born losers because you are pussy.

~~jwb~~ · 11-06-2020, 04:08 PM

Do you think that's gonna stop them?

The Batlord · 11-06-2020, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I'm not a communist (of any kind) but I did ask "What's so great about America" which is roughly the same point. Immigration from southern countries relative to the US is decreasing, but it's a bit strange to me to completely ignore why they're coming here in favor of being welcoming.

Their families are recruited to cartels, threatened with murder, the would-be murders are above the law, and the US does nothing. I sometimes wonder if people are pro-open borders because Trump wants a wall.

For all the warmongering that goes on in this country, you'd think sending in troops to clear out cartels and stabilize the countries with neighboring parterns would be something we could all get behind. If there was a real opportunity to build a life in the country you were born in, I'm guessing most people would take it. Which would satisfy both the left and the right. To me that's the objective to go for.

America needs immigration to survive. No OECD country breeds to replacement, and most of our small businesses and real talent come in from abroad. But the way things currently shake out is that both the drug-war profiteers win, and corporate america wins with this status quo iimmigration. Which includes Trump. He's prevented nothing because it's good for big business, private prisons, and Federal contracts for any idiot who says they can build cages, or repair a grid after hurricanes.

So your plan for solving the drug war is to intensify it by invading ****ing Mexico? Holy **** what's wrong with you?

debaserr · 11-06-2020, 08:38 PM

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TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So your plan for solving the drug war is to intensify it by invading ****ing Mexico? Holy **** what's wrong with you?

I hate you and Mexicans.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I also think it’s probably for the best that he just go. But you don’t let him pardon himself because it’s ridiculous, sets a horrible precedent and allows every future president to be a de facto dictator. Oh did I just have a million illegals executed? Self-pardon time!

But the idea that he doesn’t deserve jail or that he’s non-violent is insane. Ice detention centers? Deported children without parents? Intentionally spreading covid? ****ing Idi Amin ****.

But Nixon murdered a million southeast Asians and they let that go...

To quote Bernie supporters "I don't even get why Liberals hate Trump. He didn't do anything Obama didn't also do."

~~jwb~~ · 11-06-2020, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I hate you and Mexicans.

He's right though, that a dumb plan

We can't even drive extremist groups out of Iraq. So let's try to remove an even more powerful group closer to home.

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11-06-2020, 03:30 PM	#8764 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He deserves jail but he's rich and powerful. What are you gonna get him on that his lawyers don't beat? You guys still believe in justice? The ironic part is I could see Biden pardoning Trump in some half assed attempt at bipartisanship (maybe naively hoping the other side will extend the same olive branch) and then the Republicans impeaching Biden anyway over Huntergate or whatever. This was one of the many reasons in the primary people were saying Biden wasn't a good choice. But because it was in the democratic primaries that argument fell on deaf ears since the Hunter Biden accusations were assumed to be "conspiracy theory." We'll see how much that actually matters, going forward. Get ready to keep getting cucked, Democrats. You are born losers because you are pussy.

11-06-2020, 04:08 PM	#8765 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Do you think that's gonna stop them?