Is violence ever the answer?

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 09:49 AM

Do you think that attracting people to the alt-right wipes diminishes that justification?

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not going to say I don't sympathize with the use of violence against literal neo-nazis

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Do you think that attracting people to the alt-right wipes diminishes that justification?

Or sense of sympathy?

The Batlord · 05-31-2018, 09:56 AM

Violence against the alt-right is idiotic and only results in making the attacker feel good about themselves for being a thug who gets to brag about what a macho **** they are. But Spencer getting a flying punch to the head is funny regardless.

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 09:59 AM

Humour and ethics are two different discussions. I think we can all agree that it's a hilarious video.

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I put the political implications in a different box from that call

That's fair.

The Batlord · 05-31-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I wouldn't do it, but nah I'm not of the opinion that it's inherently wrong

I put the political implications in a different box from that call

Why isn't it wrong? Does it advance dialogue? Does it make them see the error of their ways? Does it not stiffen their resolve? Does it not communicate to them that you are not on a higher moral level than them? You talk about MLK but ultimately ignore what is both a morally superior ideology and a pragmatic method of shaming the other side into silence at the very least and possibly even changing their view point.

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

their speech is a call to violence

it's only funny because they don't have much political capitol

"Wow you guys really hate this guy. He just got himself a new fan!"

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-31-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

So, how much verbal abuse do you all think someone should take before resorting to violence? Is it ever alright, or at least reasonable, to hit someone who hasn't posed a physical threat to you?

Like, what would someone have to say to get you to lose it?

Strictly speaking, it would never be ok to respond with violence.

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 10:27 AM

Do you think that increasing the amount of support behind Spencer will make it more or less likely that Nazis are going to have the power to put the gun to your back?

**Frownland** · 05-31-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

again that's a different call as far as I see it

whether the violence is effective is different from whether you can morally justify it

That's not what I asked.

05-31-2018, 09:49 AM	#71 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Do you think that attracting people to the alt-right wipes diminishes that justification? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-31-2018, 09:59 AM	#74 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Humour and ethics are two different discussions. I think we can all agree that it's a hilarious video. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-31-2018, 10:27 AM	#79 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Do you think that increasing the amount of support behind Spencer will make it more or less likely that Nazis are going to have the power to put the gun to your back? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x